{"id":13192,"date":"2022-12-01T16:42:45","date_gmt":"2022-12-01T20:42:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=13192"},"modified":"2022-12-01T17:01:08","modified_gmt":"2022-12-01T21:01:08","slug":"the-fundamentalist-modernist-controversy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=13192","title":{"rendered":"The Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>This is going to be a long topic as I've came across and learned from various sources such as Reformed Forum and online searches about this. Let it be known that the content here will not be organized, however, I will try my best to tidy it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This is not too relevant to creation day age problem as it shouldn't, so that will not be here, and I already have that else where in my journal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Other than Reformed Forum materials, I today looked up Henry Van Dyke vs. Gresham Machen, since I heard from <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/reformedforum.org\/podcasts\/he8\/\" target=\"_blank\">Darryl G. Hart: Liberalism, the Different Religion<\/a>, Van Dyke walked out of Machen's sermon, which popularized Machen's book on Christianity and Liberalism. I had to looked Van Dyke up after realizing that he's the author of the lyrics for Beethoven's Ode to Joy: Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee. I remember WTS faculty and jazz enthusiast William Edgar staunchly said he would never sing it. I briefly read the lyrics again, didn't seem to be a big deal. Tough, since Van Dyke walked out on Machen, one would presume that he is a modernist. But he would disagree, according to his article <a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/archive.macleans.ca\/article\/1924\/3\/15\/religion-of-liberal-christian\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a> (I'll post it in the comment to in case of broken link, and put my own comments\/notes in that comment as I read through it). Despite rejection the labels for modernist and literalist, I do not believe Van Dyke has escaped out of the woods yet. Judging from his article, he reads as a modernist who denied such label. He did not think the virgin birth is important, apparently (because the Bible is inconsistent about it - Luke 2:33, Matthew 1:16), or at least we shouldn't take the Bible so literally. Then Van Dyke attacked the fundamentalists\/literalists on lack of good work (social gospel), complicate ideas using scripture against simple minded folks (I think Van Dyke actually just proved himself looking down on simple folks). For him, just simply come to Jesus and do good works, forget about theological definitions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is going to be a long topic as I've came across and learned from various sources such as Reformed Forum and online searches about this. Let it be known that the content here will not be organized, however, I &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=13192\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[10,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13192","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-projects","category-theologization"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13192","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=13192"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13192\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13199,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13192\/revisions\/13199"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=13192"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=13192"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=13192"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}