{"id":18032,"date":"2025-04-04T23:52:30","date_gmt":"2025-04-05T03:52:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=18032"},"modified":"2025-04-05T21:28:40","modified_gmt":"2025-04-06T01:28:40","slug":"pictures-of-jesus-christ-is-that-ok","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=18032","title":{"rendered":"Pictures of Jesus Christ - is that OK?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I have touched on this topic on a couple of entries before, referring to my agreement with John Frame. This was kind of a no brainer, but since by American Fundamentalist influence, many in the Presbyterian churches, particularly the OPC, are hard against having pictures of Jesus Christ, I find it necessary to open a topic on this. The superstitious mentality of these is really not far from the Muslims' ban on pictures of Mohammed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/pcahistory.org\/rgo\/rpces\/docsynod\/332.html\">PCA seems<\/a> to be okay with it, but <a href=\"https:\/\/www.opc.org\/qa.html?question_id=417\">not OPC<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here's <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thegospelcoalition.org\/blogs\/justin-taylor\/arguments-for-and-against-images-of-the-incarnate-christ\/\" data-type=\"link\" data-id=\"https:\/\/www.thegospelcoalition.org\/blogs\/justin-taylor\/arguments-for-and-against-images-of-the-incarnate-christ\/\">Frame's 5 points rebuttal(based on Justin Taylor's summary)<\/a>, in his <em>The Doctrine of the Christian Life<\/em>, under <strong>IMAGES IN WORSHIP<\/strong> &amp; <strong>IMAGES OF JESUS<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Frame, John M.. The Doctrine of the Christian Life (A Theology of Lordship) (p. 481). P&amp;R Publishing. Kindle Edition.:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Based on <strong>2nd Commandment<\/strong>, so Jesus may not be pictured.<br><strong>Frame<\/strong>: Scripture does not teach <strong>purely and simply <\/strong>that God cannot be pictured. Christ, God incarnate, was picturable: could be seen, felt, touched as well as heard. His face could be held in memory and such mental images were not sinful. <strong>To deny this is docetism<\/strong>. Here lies the <strong>sharp difference between Old vs. New Covenants<\/strong>: from emphatically no form (<strong>Deu 4:15<\/strong>) to emphatically form (1John 1:1ff., etc.)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Veneration of Christ's images <strong>circumscribes <\/strong>Jesus' divine nature or make his human and divine <strong>natures separable<\/strong>.<br><strong>Frame<\/strong>: Jesus in both his natures, deity was <strong>in one sense circumscribed<\/strong> since all its fullness dwelt in him; though <strong>in another sense<\/strong>, God was active <strong>beyond the body<\/strong> of Jesus. To picture Jesus <strong>is to picture a divine person<\/strong>, not one nature or other. To venerate such a picture would be wrong, but the opponents have <strong>yet to give an adequate argument against pedagogical use of such pictures<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Nobody now knows what Jesus looked like<\/strong>, so pictures are deceptive.<br><strong>Frame<\/strong>: <strong>A picture does not<\/strong> become a \"<strong>lie<\/strong>\" simply <strong>by being non-exhaustive<\/strong> [to insist full \"representation\" exhaustively in art exhibits poor imagination\/creativity, <strong>a sign of foolishness, a biblicist's own trap<\/strong>]. We don't know how Jesus looked but we know something about His looks: male, Semitic, in midlife, wearing a robe, etc.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>2nd commandment excludes deity <strong>representations<\/strong>.<br><strong>Frame<\/strong>: <strong>only <\/strong>those intended for <strong>use <\/strong>in <strong>worship<\/strong>, not elsewhere.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Whenever pictures of Jesus are used, there's <strong>risk of idolatry<\/strong>.<br><strong>Frame<\/strong>: True.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I have touched on this topic on a couple of entries before, referring to my agreement with John Frame. 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