{"id":8803,"date":"2019-12-15T21:35:25","date_gmt":"2019-12-16T01:35:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=8803"},"modified":"2025-02-13T23:47:21","modified_gmt":"2025-02-14T03:47:21","slug":"on-sabbath-female-pastors-and-church-membership","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/nycphantom.com\/journal\/?p=8803","title":{"rendered":"On Sabbath, Female pastors and Church Membership"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Ever since MeRF to Grace OPC, this issue seems to have come up a few times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rejecting female pastors is one thing, I would too, though I doubt I am of the same stance with them on that issue as well. I think for many of them, they just can't stand seeing a woman on top on them while their excuse is the scripture. So they trapped themselves in the legalism of words. But as for me, I reject pastoral ordination for women at the same time, I also recognize female pastors. I noticed that trying to explain this simple stand fails on stubborn ears when they treat this principle of God in a legalistic manner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Then there is this notion of equating official church membership to the communion of the Saints, and such without which, the official membership, one should not be partaking holy communion. I took the communion for one: I've been member of a few churches, and other than the church in Penang where I was baptized and thus automatically officiated my membership, I think, the other churches I have been to automatically entered me into membership themselves after regular attendance. Secondly, I consider I'm a member of the visible Church, that is among all Christians on this planet. The strict principle they have on this seems to be grounded on the fact that, if one were not a member, then the pastor can't use ex-communication to discipline one. I reject this, if one were not a member, one is still under submission to local church authority when one is in that church. It's still not hard to exercise discipline in this case. There maybe other \"excuses\", but this is enough. What then if you take away one's membership? Would you bar him or her from enter the church? Thus, this futile play of words over rules traps them yet again in legalism.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

As for the Sabbath, here I post Dr. Stephen Tong's responses first (Source<\/a>) and extract main points from it after in English:
Verses to consider:
Mark 2:27<\/strong> The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath
John 20:19-20<\/strong> Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
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The good points from Tong:
The Sabbath was made for man, not vice versa.
The True meaning of Sabbath - Able to find peace <\/strong>in the Lord, thus even in work, any work, one can find such rest, one must. Emphasis on peace, not rest. For such is joy in the Lord. Emphasis on rest is to justify indolence, and I've made my case in this writing how legalism is used to vindicate that. This is why preachers could preach on Sundays, Jesus could work on the Sabbath. I like the Chinese translation of Shabbat in this case: \u5b89\u606f\u65e5 denoting restful peace. In English, the word is transliterated, hence one would not know the meaning without studying Hebrew. The Jews know this rest, but unfortunately, without pondering on it's deeper meaning, they could only take the superficial meaning and abolish all works together, including pressing elevator buttons on Shabbat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If we do nothing but keep ourselves in church fellowship and services the whole Sunday, that's great too, if we enjoy the presence God. But if what we enjoy is satisfaction in what we think we obey in scripture, legalistically, and perhaps even to the point of looking down on others who don't without any deeper communication and analysis, then it's bad. I think it is worse than those who stay for social reason, which is...bad as well. Bottom line, as long as one finds peace in the Lord on Sundays, it's good enough for me. And when I say \"peace in the Lord\", I don't mean some nonchalant ecstasy. It's a peace that grows one's faith and relationship with Christ in spirit and in truth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A good point raised by Tong: that's why the Japanese took advantage of the American's complacent in the FORM (and not the meaning) of Sabbath. Well, I think, one, if unrepentant, would hate and put all blames on the Japanese for it, or worst, to deny God and abolish Sunday rest for good. If one fears the Lord however, would take this lesson to repentance and learn to be wiser, to impose shifts on Sundays.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thus God said to the Jews and those who put too much emphasis on the form of days: Isaiah 1:13 and Galatians 4:10-11. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thus Tong calls our Lord's Sabbath, the Paradoxical Sabbath! It centers on man, not on the day.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now this is new and interesting:
Tong breaks the Sabbath down into 7 types:
1. God's sabbath<\/strong>, the first mention in the Bible, men cannot partake.
2. Blurry sabbath<\/strong>. That is, that which is assumed to be practiced until the time of Moses, the time of the Law. We do not know who kept this.
3. The Sabbath in the Law<\/strong>. The purpose of this is to commemorate their (Israel) deliverance from Egypt. Thus, this is the only commandment that is temporal while the other 9 are on moral. For gentiles, this is not the same kind of Sabbath we are observing, because \"Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day<\/em>\" Deuteronomy 5:15<\/strong> is for the Jews. We gentiles don't observe this Sabbath, which is the Sabbath in the Law, our ancestors were not slaves in Egypt.
4. Postexilic Sabbath<\/strong>: (Isaiah 14:1-3) After 70 of captivity in Babylon, the Jews observed a different kind of Sabbath, that which commemorates that they were brought back from Babylon. And these #3 & #4 types of Sabbath have a true meaning behind it: The deliverance from sin and to enjoy the peace of being forgiven. Such is a typology. God hinting on the true Sabbath. Thus, it's never about the day. The day is merely a typology to the truth: Being reconciled to God, the peace in receiving the forgiveness of sin - this kind of peaceful rest.
5. The Sabbath of Jesus Christ<\/strong>: The paradoxical Sabbath. Did Jesus observe Sabbath? Not according to the Jews. From Christian standpoint, yes He did, because Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath. [So saith the Lord of the Sabbath!] - my addition \ud83d\ude09
6. The Sabbath in the Book of Hebrews<\/strong>: Hebrews 3:11 - So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. This is a spiritual one, not a temporal one. This is the one with the true meaning. It has nothing to do with the 24-hour days in a 365-day year.
7. The final Sabbath<\/strong>: When Jesus comes, we shall enjoy this Sabbath FOREVER, it's eternal, it has no specific days. It's every moment, it has no temporal boundary.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Update: 2\/10\/2025 STEMI TV Taiwan posted this clip from the Hebrews series:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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