On the Fundamentalist - Reformed America of Today

So that happened, when during the discussion of John's Gospel during today's Bible study on GCC Zoom, I was able to ascertain more of the pastor, though not as successful as I would have liked, through series of questioning.

Unless there was misunderstanding, which could very likely be the cause, when I asked about the Eastern Orthodox's take on filioque, I was expecting answers that's describe the faults in the Eastern church for holding a belief against filioque. Perhaps, one would say that the Eastern church is the reason why the their members do not engage in being salt and light of the world, because the Son does not send the Spirit, therefore the Spirit's work is not related to the Son's as much as the Catholics would have it. This is highly speculative for now, because I haven't had the chance to look deeper in the Orthodox church.

Next I alluded to the curiosity on how John would remember chapter 14-16 at an old age, to which the pastor insinuating that I ignored the work of the Holy Spirit, that I was thinking of this only like a man. But though I did not rebut properly, leading of the rail with my question about cessationism vs. continuationism, which I also didn't get a clear answer from him (or rather the answer was too simple - healing of God vs. putting on hands to heal?!?), but I should have asked if we were able to learn about the different characters among the apostles. Surely they are not drones, built to function equally, which is what the pastor's answer kind of imply: That they all remembered the Lord's words, they wrote differently because God instructed them to write differently. This is a rather shallow conclusion, it is an understatement, unless they are clones of the exact same copies.

The shallowness is what I always stumble across with these bunch. They view evangelism as just simply a broadcasting ministry. The rest is relational evangelism: friends and families. Where is the labor, where is the cry? There is none. From play safe technique several generations before until now, it becomes a conviction of their faith. As of anyone opposes them must be in the wrong: ie. that they accuse their opponents of viewing evangelism as harvesting the number of converts. I don't understand why they couldn't see or admit the refusal of these two extremes (about the numbers vs. doing evangelism with indifference) and could conclude to only doing a relational evangelism. Sure Jesus didn't convert everyone he spoke to. I would say so what, the great commission is never about the number of converts.

But if he were to say that we do not judge others' characters, such as that of the apostles, I would say this nonchalant attitude never truly work and results only in hypocrisy: We do have to judge who is our spouse to be. We do have to judge who is the right candidate for presidency, and there's nothing wrong doing so. I fear that I may get rejection for him and the likes of the pastor who would defend themselves by saying somehow God is still the only judge. Where is the blessing of the ability to judge that God has put in His creaturely man? As if they've denied this as a gift. Such is the shallowness of the fundamentalists.

Last but not least, I notice it's always the assumption of the pastor and the likes that everyone asks questions because they want to learn from him. Which begs the question that kept ringing in my mind since Pak Tong first asked it: Could someone knows more than his pastor? And if so, by what right the pastor pastors over him? Now I can guess many's answers are probably in the vicinity of: By ordination, by certification. And perhaps the worst answer would be: If that person knows better than the pastor, why is he not becoming a pastor himself or going out to be missionary? Why is he staying as a lay person? As if it's wrong to do so. I believe Rev. Lin made this mistake as well. So if I hear such principle, I need to strongly rebuke it: "I don't believe that's biblical - just because one knows more, sure more is required, but that doesn't mean he cannot remain a lay person". It's shallow, and again, not biblical. I had finally gotten the answer to Pak Tong's question which I have answered elsewhere in this diary: hint: love my sheep!

I think next time I would probably seek the opportunity to insist that I am skeptical, very skeptical to a point of denying that when pastors (including the ones at GCC) move away, quit, etc. it is the holy spirit's guidance. I say nay, it's more like because they are just the hirelings mentioned in John 10. Hirelings do not care about the sheep. Maybe have a one on one talk with this pastor, about evangelism, about our theological differences, minor enough to encourage my love for the pastor. Even if we may have to agree to disagree from time to time, but at least we grow close relationship-wise. Despite my critique of Pastor Chris, he's still standing out as better than the other older, more famous, experienced ones. He struck me as someone shimmering between fundamentalists (maybe his uncle?) and reformed.

Now touching the Holy Spirit, while these fundamentalists or the American reformed love to maintain a neutral stand when confronted with some wacko saying "The Lord / The Holy Spirit spoke to me - that the Lord is coming on 2055 July 3rd", I would gladly, boldly, immediately proclaim: I swear by the Lord, as long as your God lives, Lord Jesus will not come on 2055 July 3rd!!! This is my theology on the Holy Spirit as opposed to them, as they respond: Oh...Timothy...you shouldn't...how would you know if theirs is not from the Holy Spirit.

Update: 8/4/2025 Monday:

This is not a bad take on the Fundamentalist, though I wouldn't attribute it to the Reformed world (American Christians generally cannot distinguish "reformed" Baptists from Reformed): Absolute certainty that you're right, any opposing views are injurious. This proves that your faith is also weak and insecure.

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Thoughts

6/16: When discussing health insurance, Nadia told me that Willy suggested that I should ask for a raise. I rejected the notion at first. But now come to think of it, I think it's despicable. Salary based on the worth of the employee, not on the pity on the employee. This is the hypocrisy of the East: Don't want friends to pity on the dinner table in a restaurant, but when it comes to salary, pity is almost a moral thing. I do learn a few thing, after trying to figure out how health benefits work since Nadia's losing hers and I need to add ours through my job. There are like 5 states (NJ is one of them and Vermont doesn't really count-no penalty) that are still making this mandatory after the abolishment of mandatory health insurance (ACA/Obama Care) at federal level in 2019. There's some site showing how health penalty is calculated in NJ.

Love the last remark: That's what happens when you order a president through the mail

Last week (6/10), we installed 86" LG TV to the wall mount. I am still worry because the studs didn't feel strong when I drilled. Today I think the top part of the mount came off about 1-3mm from the way. More on the left side. I need to keep monitoring this because when necessary, I would need to take off the TV with Willy's help, and install these TOGGLER SNAPTOGGLE Drywall Anchors (about $8 on Amazon for 4), which is said to hold more than 150lbs quite well, on dry wall alone.

Not thoroughly, but I skimmed through the recordings of the 2022 Center for Missions and Evangelism Conference Mid-America Reformed Seminary. This is suppose to deal with missions with other cultures (or races if they don't forbid). However, I find it rather shallow. To think I almost bought a ticket just to fly down to Florida for that. This is more or less an OPC/PCA held event. They had the rapper/pastor Timothy Brindle to be one of their guests, to me, he's the only one I know of. I wish they would just do more evangelism, then maybe they know what to say better on the stage rather than quote textbooks.

Last Sunday (6/12) I finally got the chance to speak to the pastor about my intention to do evangelical works in the neighborhood of Bridgewater. Pastor then revealed to me, contrary to what I thought (based on what I hear from him over time), that he had tried reaching out the church surrounding area before but it had fallen on deaf ears. I do not hold pastors to be preachers in this sense, though one must try all offices like Paul. So, I shall pray to God on this. So far there's only one (E.) eager to join, and we shall see after planning and strategizing. We have a good church here, finally, with a pastor though not well known nor as old as many would have wanted, but exceeds those others who would be more desired qualitatively. May God have mercy upon me and my walk in Him. So this work as the pastor implied, would not be part of the church, which is just the way I had expected.

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Music Composition - Accompaniment

This could be a good starting point:

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Sunday Service Recap (6/12/2022) GCC

On Statement 11: Friendship of the Ad Interim on sexuality by PCA, I was reminded of YMCA, how I once worked there where GRIOT was, in Brooklyn YWCA. YMCA was supposed to be a Christian organization, but in America, that is anything but. So I wondered about the history of it, how from Sir George William, a philanthropist founding YMCA, chiefly focusing on cultural mandate for men in the industrial revolution, to the going off rail of the center today. I believe when Christian organizations began to focus on $ and large administration/executives, things often don't look too good.

This also recalls BSF, which was founded by Audrey Wetherell Johnson, a British missionary of the China Inland Mission. I did a quick brief search but nothing much can be discovered on how it operates, its financial accountability, etc. At least not online. It's hard to say for me for now, but having rotating lay teaching or questionnaires on one's opinions/feelings for Biblical discussions are a few methods that do not conform to biblical teaching, as minor an issue as they maybe. However, BSF/online, despite their methodology and concealed administration, has like Redeemer PCA of NY, opened a flood of opportunities for people to do Bible study outside the bounds of their local churches, especially when their own churches do not love God enough to do so.

In Sunday School, finishing the Ad Interim report, I find myself having different (or what maybe slightly different) views:
- David's theology on not harming God's anointed (Saul) - pastor's take seem to be just about not sneaking up on Saul but rather to kill Saul in direct battle. I wonder if he would interpret anything into "touch not God's anointed". But this is not new, many American pastors in the conservative arena, perhaps because of many fallen preachers, do not take much care of that phrase.
- Among the audience. There was a slight argument on David's many wives (by T) vs. killing someone to get Bathsheba (by F). I would say F is wrong, David killed to not get Bathsheba, because he already got Bathsheba, he killed to cover it up.
- I find Statement #11: Friendship of the Ad Interim report to be insufficient when dealing with singleness biblically. There needs to be more biblical view on singlehood in fellowship with others, which begs the question in Matthew 19:10. Today we see many desires singleness in churches out of selfish/feminist desires.
- Pastor critiqued social media today for unkind words used, slanders, etc. rather than sharing one's own life's blessings. I view social media only as an informative media, a way to keep in touch with people, even long lost friends. I don't view it as a media to share life's story, for that I prefer face to face talking. As for arguments, I view it as a training media, to improve my eloquence, deduction, analysis of men, though I do my best not to demonize my opponents.
- On capital punishment - Pastor believes in a large body consented agreement before killing in capital punishment can be carried out. I believe one just has to follow his own conviction before the Lord. Perhaps because I was never under the modern Roman Catholics' influence on their view of life. But vengeance is still the Lord's, so I believe we can look at Dietrich Bonhoeffer as example, in spite of his failure to kill Hitler. It would be interesting to see pastor's take on Bonhoeffer in this matter. If it must be a large body decision, how large? 10 people? 20?
- Accountability: It's good to have others to be accountable to, to each other in the family of God. However, I do not follow the modern American Christians' way where this is a must. I think first and foremost, God is sufficient. The rest should be a natural thing that follows God, so there is really no need to even touch on that. The only verses on the Bible they would cite are not what they meant. These are verses simply on fellowship and love. It's not about finding someone to hold oneself accountable for in life.

On the Sermon on adultery, Genesis 3:16 is mentioned: Pastor's take on the curse = women's bad desire, men's bad ruling.

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Sunday Service Recap (6/5/2022) GCC

On Exodus 20:13 - You Shall Not Murder.

Pastor Chris noted the difference of Murder and Kill. But not extensively.

On Purpose of Life - Basile's mention of theology in everything we do, is rather comforting, very reformed, I recalled asking Phil a few weeks before during our buffet fellowship meal when he confessed his mal-managed eating habit, that if his diet was not reformed. To which he answered: His diet is liberal, but his theology is reformed, as a defense I suppose.

When touching on Murder in the heart - Basile connected foul language to a murderous heart. [Judging from how biblical saints used strong language, I think this would depend: i.e. holy anger vs. sinful anger. Though we strive to not darken our heart with such cuss words, but hate can be used rightly, just not on what God calls good]. But Matthew 12:36 is crucial, for we must give account for every careless word we speak.

Then we had a missionary John and Aruna Desai (local, ISI ministry for international students) the church support visiting and took over the Sunday School sharing their work. I was willing to test him on the knowledge of Stephen Tong, which he knew, though I later realized that the Isabel Tong he thought was Stephen Tong's daughter, was actually one of Tong's brother, Caleb Tong's (whom I believe was recently deceased) daughter, who studied at WTS choir in 1992.

Desai's ministry in Princeton was certainly remarkable, as they shared the Gospel (I assumed) with many through the giveaway (giving free stuff, furniture to international students at Princeton) program. The Desais' home church is MEFC.org under the evangelical free church denomination, which I don't know much about. Though my later chat with John the next Thursday led me to believe that he is more or less Arminian (perhaps due to his Methodist background) and leaning towards Charismatics. His only problem if not only view of Charismatics' characteristics is their speaking in tongue. Yet he would take tongue speaking mysterious enough to be real sometimes, due to the verse in 1 Corinthians 14:39, John confessed that he would not interfere those who speak in tongue, in spite of the fact that he may also have problem with it. He gave us two free books in church, I plan to skim through them quickly and do away with them as first, I don't have enough library room for them.

I believe this rekindled my spirit towards evangelism once again, though as disturbing as like many OPC and fundamentalists' view on evangelism, Pastor Chris' view on this isn't encouraging as well. From this last Thursday's Bible Study on John 15, he challenged that there is no relation between fruit and evangelism. Though he was right that the converts of evangelism are no way the prove of our obedience to God, but he would be wrong that evangelism is not commanded by the Lord to all people around us, not just to people whom we try to make friends or get to know first. This is not to deny God's special calling, but Gospel centeredness is key. I pray that by the example I could be, I am abiding in God's will, in His fear. I believe I can still proceed with this church and pastor because he admitted where he stands, even though I have yet to engage in serious conversation with him on this issue. At the very least, he should agree that he has no problem with me doing evangelism by sending people to this church, people who are no more strangers to me than they are to him.

But on Evangelism, I must beware. For it is not I. Not for number. Yes to the small number of church members, though this is a passive motivation of course, one that is a positive reaction towards a negative condition but not the reason of it, nonetheless. For we must not do evangelism to just increase numbers. The true fruit is in the refined and sanctified WORK of evangelism. The harvest (various passages in the Bible touched on this) of converts are fruits (hence it would have been my answer to Pastor Chris' Thursday question on are there any fruits referring to converts, but I stayed silence, perhaps due to distractions). But the fundamentalists and their fundamentalist rebels (who still remained somewhat fundamentalists) would not be able to consider the fruits of such labor do not always refer to direct converts.

I believe the Desais are truly faithful in evangelism despite our doctrinal differences. And that Pastor Chris' is not anti-Gospel centered at heart despite his fundamentalist influence. I pray God grants me the right heart in my work towards evangelism, that His glory maybe seen and learned by others, including the Desais (towards Reformed doctrine) and Chris (towards a more Gospel Centered - evangelistic heart) in the same manner which I firmly hold under His grace. Amen.

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Chrome error for all https SSL sites: NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID for Windows 7

Whenever going to any https sites in Chrome or Edge/Explorer, you get the above error. First I thought it was NYGC's network, but turns out to be...

Solution turns out to be Windows Update, specifically: Windows 7 KB3004394

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Thoughts

Today (6/10/2022) we installed the heavy 86" LG TV: 86UN9070AUD. I finally put my paranoia that the studs (wooden or something else) wouldn't hold this 100 lbs. TV because they were so easily drilled into. But so far so good, no sound of wall tearing. I think other than the luxurious size, the satisfaction comes also from human figures that look up to scale in the display.

Due to the shallowness of the Jordan River, I wish I could go check it and put my doubt about baptizo = immersion to rest once and for all. It's unlikely people of those days would venture into the middle of the river where it is deep enough to submerge.

Butterfly style / Dolphin kick, first recording, with flippers: How to improve?

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Vocabulary: Urbane

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urbane

Pronunciation:

ur-beyn

Definition:

suave and sophisticated

As used in a sentence:

Someone who is urbane is polite and appears comfortable in social situations.

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Latin Pronunciation

Starts with pronunciation: Classical vs. Ecclesiastical/church Latin vs. (English) Latin, by Dwane Thomas on his Youtube Series.

Latin LettersClassical PronunciationEcclesiastical Pronunciation
CKuhClassical unless before: e,i,ae,y => ch
Gas in GigiClassical unless before: e,i,ae,y => Juh
Hsometimes "K"Classical
JYuhClassical
VW

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Thoughts

What Was the Old Side/New Side Controversy (Of American/colonial Presbyterianism 1741-1758 - curious reunion in Synod of 1758)? (Presbyterian in America began in 1706): Revivalists: Preaching out of bound: going into towns of other churches without the permission of local pastors, requiring ministers to give conversion narrative for ordination, etc. First General Assembly in 1789.

Somersault training:

My comment: I could barely hear the HELP in the video. It's unlikely I would notice in that atmosphere as I usually listens to my own thing on the phone. However, I would have broken that guy in half should I be made aware of it. When you yell for HELP, be sure that you shout louder, there are many willing souls who are just not really looking around.

However, later, I was reminded of Pak Tong's example on evangelizing in moments of pressure, having peace of Christ.

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