The City College CUNY Class: PHIL 30500 Ancient Philosophy

Prof. Nick Pappas

Assistant: Kathryn Wojtkiewicz

Ancient Philosophy Period:
May 28, 585 BCE - Sept. 4, 476 CE (Thales to the fall of the Roman Empire)

Scope of class: From Thales to Aristotle, as per text book: Readings in Ancient Greek Philosophy: From Thales to Aristotle, 4th Ed. by Reeve.

Pre-Socratic

Socrates: works: Apology, Phaedo

Plato: works: Republic, Symposium. School Academy.

Aristotle: Studies everything, e.g. biology. Logic, ethics, politics, physics, metaphysics, etc.

Lots of learning from this course coincide with Ligonier's Philosophy I.

I believe that using a commentary site for works like that of Plato's is rather convenient.

For Aristotle's works/etc..

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  1. timlyg says:

    The Milesians (materialists)

    One famous Christian pre-socratic source, Clement. Usually by criticizing.

    Nature: Matter. Physical Universe. Science?

    From Wiki:
    Arche = principle, Hyle = matter, eidos = form
    Psyche = soul
    Arche originally means to rule, but is taken here to mean the origin/principle.

    Some student wanted to show the prof. that Thales had his own "arche" prior to Anaximander. But Thales' arche IS water!
    "Things pay the penalty for their injustice."

    Anaximenes - air. (Rarefaction vs. condensation: the transformation of stuff).

    Milesian Legacy
    Prof: "If change is real, then nothing can be known about natural objects"
    Similar to Empedocles.

  2. timlyg says:

    09/03/2015
    Heraclitus (weeping philosopher):
    "Change is real, nothing can be known about natural objects".
    Logos = speech, theory, word, argument, story, reason, thought.

    obscure, Heraclitus loves double meaning: e.g.
    pg. 31, Although this logos holds (,) always (,) humans ... [comma either before or after "always", makes two meanings]

    Flux: For every object o, and every property F, such that o is F, there was a time, or there will be a time, when o is not F.

    Monism: all things are one. (Pre-socratic)

    Heraclitus: Unity of Opposites
    For every object o, and every property F, such that o is F, there is a sense in which o is not F.
    Oppositions clarify experience but also falsify it.

  3. timlyg says:

    09/17/2015
    Pythagoras & Xenophanes
    Professor mentioned the 7 sages.

    Pythagoras:
    Scientist (number, theorem, harmony)
    Odd is good; even is bad. Thus, prof. confused.
    Introduced a priori.
    |
    Soul
    |
    Holy man: (reincarnation, secret society, dietary restrictions)
    All credits went to him. So not certain if he's the one came up with the theorems, etc.
    Did not eat beans.

    Xenophanes
    Most fragments from Christians (Prof. so be careful in interpretation), ie. Clement's quotes.
    First to attack religion.
    One-ness
    Mind over body. Plurality to unity.

  4. timlyg says:

    09/24/2015
    Parmenides (Eleatic philosophers: including Xenophanes, Zeno, Melissus, etc.)
    Most quotes of Parmenides we owe to Simplicius.
    Modus Tollens on Milesian legacy: "If change is real, then nothing can be known about natural objects"
    Thus, Change is not real.
    Disjunctive syllogism (A U B, if ~A thus B).
    Zeno's Achilles paradox: I see the solution is the denseness of (quotient).
    Zeno's paradoxes to show his teacher (Parmenides's change is not real) makes sense, since our conception of motion is mysterious to us.

    Nihil fit ex nihilo
    Prof.: You don't know nothing.

  5. timlyg says:

    09/29/2015
    Plato's Apology & Citro
    Prof. in old days, Athenians Jury duty is voluntary based. Then Athenian Pericles (greatest democracy leader) introduced the idea of jury pay.
    Socrates/Plato, hard to distinguish, due to only Plato's works exist.
    Socrates 469-399 BC
    Plato 427-346? BC
    When Socrates dies at 70, Plato was 28.

    Socrates:
    Not a teacher in the ordinary sense.
    Athens in democracy at the time.

    Athenian Navy: hit other ships from the side.
    Delian League: Treasury at Delos for unwilling citizens to do battle. When asked for accounting, Pericles said it was spent as needed.
    Then, policy of Delian League changed to kill males of cities that do not participate, women turned into slaves.
    Athen did most fighting.
    More than enough money from other cities. Parthenon built, temples, sculptures, etc.
    Two important plays in Athen a year. Athen will pay poor citizen to go watch play.
    Athen encourages ally cities for democracy. Most cities don't want to, especially Sparta.
    Spartans strong in military, training to eradicate rest of Sparta inhabitants (Helots).

    Peloponnesian War (431-404BC):
    Sparta vs. Athen
    Spartans won.
    Spartan created 30 Tyrants (Critias, Charmides, etc).
    Spartans (enemies of democracy: Critias, Charmides, Alcibiades son of Pericles) All 3 named are friends of Socrates.
    30 Tyrants stayed in power for 9 months until pro-democracy movement came along. Amnesty introduced, 30 Tyrants would step down on condition that no tyrant will be charged. Hence, Plato's Apology has no mention of anti-democracy due to it being illegal from the Amnesty.

    Socrates: not for democracy

    Unlike Socrates, Thomas Hobbes: Not interested in ruler who knows more. Only appearance matters. (asked one student)

    Simon the Shoemaker (first to write of Socrates, before Plato).

    We have ALL works of Plato. That means he was so important back then.

  6. timlyg says:

    10/01/2015
    Plato's Apology
    Supposedly memorized to be used in court. But we never have record of both sides in court at the same time. These are usually done by speech writers (logographers?).

    Prof. mentioned Gorgias (Sophist), old man, 103 yr.
    Very special way of talking.

    Before about Socrates, Aristophanes' Wasps play shows fun jury activities. Socrates said he would not make it fun like that.

    Charges of Socrates:
    1. corrupting the youth
    2. making neo gods (daimon, daimonion = minor gods, today = demon) & not observing the gods of the city.
    Oracle at Delphi (highest authority) & Chaerephon: Leader of pro democracy movement against the 30 tyrants.
    3. investigates things below earth and above heavens
    4. makes weaker argument stronger
    5. anti-democracy - which ended about 5 years earlier.

  7. timlyg says:

    10/06/2015
    Praeteritio mentioned.

    On account of Plato being feminist, claimed by the TA to be in the Republic (on women's equality). I can't seem to find the source for his quote:
    "I thank God that I was born Greek and not barbarian, free and not slave, male and not female, but above all that I was born in the age of Socrates."
    I asked the prof. at one point and his immediate response was (comedically) "where did you hear that". Then he noted a source which I don't recall now and that it was not reliable. However, he admitted that he's not surprised even if it were true.

    Euthyphro introduces the Socratic Method: Cross-examinations.
    Method:
    1. Socratic ignorance
    2. reductio ad absurdum (reduce to absurdity)
    ---getting out of ignorance
    3. quest for definition: begins with genus and narrows down by differentia.
    4. Socratic induction: by examples

  8. timlyg says:

    10/08/2015
    Euthyphro
    On Piety/Holiness, Definition: ("is" of predication/attribution, vs. of identity)
    1. What I'm doing now is pious.
    2. What is loved by the gods.
    (Soc: too broad. Gods argue, therefore they love differently).
    3. What is loved by all the gods.

    Euthyphro paradox: Do the gods love what is pious because it is pious, or is it pious because they love it.

    Euthyphro:
    Action vs. condition/state
    --------------------------
    carrying vs. being carried
    leading vs. being led
    seeing vs. being seen
    Thus, there's no trick. The action is the cause of the condition/state = X is loved by all the gods because all the gods love it; x is pious because all the gods love it.

    Plato's dialogues: aporetic (aporia, perplexity). Like Euthyprho ends up without any answer for Socrates.

    Substitute Salva Veritate mentioned.

    Euthyphro Paradox mentioned.

  9. timlyg says:

    10/13/2015
    Crito
    1. A question about Socrates
    2. A question of political philosophy: legitimacy of state
    3. One more method of presenting philosophy: Argument from analogy, e.g. Morality is like the subject of professional expertise. Soul is like body. The laws are like parents, etc.

  10. timlyg says:

    10/15/2015
    Prof.'s insertion:

    Symposium (Plato's greatest literary work).

    From Ethics alone to ethics combined with metaphysics:
    Forms - implicit in Euthyphro;
    explicit in (but not argued for) Phaedo, Symposium, Republic. Argued for in Phaedo, Republic.

    Soul immortal - suggested in Apology
    as motive force (Psychology) - implied in Crito; presented in Phaedo, argued for in Republic

    --------------------
    Early Socratic (Socrates takes them down completely):
    Euthyphro, Crito, Laches, Charmides, ...

    Early-Middle (Socrates does not take them down completely):
    Gorgias, Meno, Protagoras

    Middle:
    Phaedo, Symposium, Republic, Phaedrus

    Late:
    -Sophist Statesman,
    Timaeus, Parmenides, Laws

    ------------------------
    Socrates mentioned his teachers: Prodicus (are we "Satisfied" or "gradified"), Aspasia (2nd. wife of leader Pericles), Diotima.

    End of Prof. Insertion.
    ========================

    Prof.:
    Phaedo
    I. Opening
    II. 3 arguments & 3 Refutations
    --A. 64c-70c (Cebes)
    ----1. Death is the separation of a soul from a body
    ----2. The soul is ethically superior to the body
    ----3. The soul is epistemically superior to the body
    ----4. The soul is superior to the body
    ----5. Death is good for the body.
    --B. 70e-77a (Simmias)
    --C. 78b-88c (Cebes & Simmias)
    III. Interlude - Socrates read Anaxagoras
    IV. Final argument
    V. Myth

  11. timlyg says:

    10/20/2015
    2nd paper has to do with:
    Socrates-> Euthyphro vs. Socrates-> Agathon (in Symposium).
    (Paper title - compare and contrast, Focus on Socratic cross examinations)
    Though, most of Plato's works are not cross examination.

    Prof.'s note on Phaedo:
    Death: Separation of soul from body
    Soul is superior to body: Ethically, epistemically (with respect to knowledge)
    Death is better for soul.

    Theory of Forms (Idea)
    ===============
    Form of Beauty: The beautiful itself
    Value terms: beautiful, good, just, pious, courageous
    Relative terms: Big, Strong, Healthy

    3 Properties of Form
    SP: Self-Predicating: When there is a form F for some property P, F is P; Individual f things are and are not P. (is & is not: 1. relative to observer, 2. relative to context, 3. at different times, 4. in different aspects of parts) (e.g. Justice itself is just. Any just law is and isn't just.)
    U: Unique: For every property P for which there is a form F, there is only one.
    NI: Non-identical: A form F of property P is not identical to any individual P thing.

    Forms (Parmenides); Things (Heraclitus): the 4 points in Self-Predicating - shown above.

  12. timlyg says:

    10/22/2015
    Socrates' Forms & individual things similar to Plato's Two-World.
    The connection of the two:
    individual things participate in the forms (Forms present in individual things. Individual things imitate/copies of forms.

    Theory of recollection 72e-...(Try Sparknotes)

  13. timlyg says:

    10/27/2015
    Outline of Phaedo:
    3 arguments + 3 sets of objections.
    Break
    Socrates as a young man(96a) - 4th argument - myth - Socrates dies.

    1) Some things bear their properties essentially.
    2) Everything alive has a soul.
    3) Soul is that which always brings life with it (as ice always brings coldness, etc.)
    4) Soul is essentially alive.
    5) Soul doesn't die.

    Aristotle states 3 kinds of souls: Plants, animals, humans.

    My Notes:
    After listening to Dr. Tong's John series (ep. 85) (Re: Socrates' Death, where Dr. Tong mentioned Crito and such from Phaedo), I looked up the sacrifice to Asclepius (god of medicine). It appears that there are more than one argument for the reason why Socrates entrusted Crito for a cock offering. Tong: Past debt. Our text: death (Socrates') is a cure for the ills of life.

  14. timlyg says:

    10/29/2015
    Plato's Republic V
    Argument against knowledge of particulars.

    For every individual p thing, there is a way in which the thing is not p.
    "A way":
    1). at different times
    2). compared to different things
    3). to different observers
    4.) (Symposium 211b) in different parts

    1). To know the property P you need to study a p thing.
    2). Individual p things are also not p.
    3). You can't know beauty, justice, largeness, (missing obscured word - listen to audio), etc. by studying objects of experience.

    In Republic, there's a dividing line between Intelligible objects and Visible objects.
    Intelligible:
    - Understanding: Forms
    - Thought: mathematical objects
    Visible:
    - Belief: things, plants, animals
    - ImaginationImage thinking: images, reflections, shadows
    (Belief vs Image Thinking: Distinction between greater and lesser realities respectively.)

    Higher than Forms (Courage, Justice, etc.), is THE GOOD. The cause of all forms.

  15. timlyg says:

    11/03/2015
    Symposium (drinking party) (Plato - 385-380 BC)
    Story:
    404BC Framing dialogue.
    416BC Agathon's party
    415BC Athens invade Sicily (Sicilian expedition - encouraged by Alcibiades, failed)
    Agathon is the host of the party.
    Theories of eros (romantic, desirous)
    political history of Athens
    Contrasting Athens before and after Sicilian dilemma.
    Story is unlikely to be true due to the chosen characters representing every walks of life.
    Structure: frame, dramatic date, who the characters are.

    Speakers:
    Phaedrus - young, attractive
    - Eros & Politics

    Pausanias - Classic Athenian gentleman
    - good/bad love

    Eryximachus - doctor, knows pre-socratic philosophy
    - Love is cosmic Force

    Aristophanes - comic playwright
    - Love = need response to human incompleteness

    Agathon - tragic playwright; host
    - beauty

    Socrates - learned LOVE from Diotima
    Alcibiades - uninvited guest

    Pausanias: Philosophy, man-boy relations, gymnasium.

  16. timlyg says:

    11/10/2015
    Aristotle's Dialogues are lost.

    Symposium:
    Socrates on Love/Beauty

    Diotima's description (similar to Freudian's "sublimation"):
    Beauty itself
    the beauty of every kind of knowledge.
    the beauty of laws and institutions.
    the beauty in all souls
    the beauty of all bodies
    Beauty of one beautiful body / love of one body.

    Comedy: Humans at animal level
    Tragedy: Humans at a divine level.

    Aristophanes is the biggest opponent to philosophy in Symposium, hence he's given a very memorable speech. Aristophanes: love is completing the halves. Very limited definition of love.

    Check out John Malkovich reading allegory of the cave.

    Alcibiades' love for Socrates is at Aristophanes' level; while Socrates' love is the form of beauty, self sufficient. Thus, could Alcibiades end up to desiring the public, and got corrupted by "Socrates"?

  17. timlyg says:

    11/12/2015
    World Philosophy Day coming - Nov. 19, by UNESCO

    Aristotle (384 - 322 BC) Heidegger's "He was born, he philosophied, he died".
    Nicknames: The Reader (by Students), Brain (by Plato), The Philosopher (Europians - e.g. Aquinas), Master of those who know (e.g. Dante).
    Plato's nickname mentioned.

    "The Lagoon" recommended. On Aristotle as a scientist.
    The lagoon is the lagoon in the island Lesbos, where Aristotle did biology.

    Lyceum shuts down in about 100 years, earlier than Academy. Maybe budget problem.

    "The Edges of the Earth" by James Romm, recommended for what geography the ancients knew back then.

    Philosophical types, read Paul Zanker's "Images of Socrates".

    Funny joke about Academy vs. Lyceum:
    Ac: You see students from Lyceum to Academy, but never vice versa.
    Ly: Yea, there are full men who becomes castrated men, but not vice versa.

    Plato's definitions come at the end; Aristotle's definitions come first.

    Aristotle's dialogues are all lost.

    Organon: 10 categories of terms.
    e.g. Socrates is ______
    Sentence can end in 10 categories.

  18. timlyg says:

    11/17/2015
    Syllogism:

    My hand (accidentally) is cold
    Ice is (essentially) cold

    Socrates is human (Said of subject)
    Socrates is standing (In the subject)

    Substance: ousia = "being", realist.
    Essence: ta ti en einai: the what it was to be.

    Based on the chart below (from Categories chapter 2), Plato's form demoted to secondary substance.

    Aristotle: Substance does not have negation. Does not come in degree.

    IN/
    Non-substance
    NOT IN/
    Substance
    Said of/
    Universal
    Grammar man, animal,
    tree, physical obj
    Plato's Form/
    Secondary Substance
    Not Said of/
    Non-universal
    (Particular)
    this bid of knowledge,
    this patch of color
    Socrates, this tree,
    Fido
    Primary Substance
  19. timlyg says:

    11/19/2015
    Aristotle: ta physika (from phu-o = to grow)

    The things about nature: Philosophy of science

    Growth:
    1. change
    2. change in persisting subject
    3. change according to natural laws
    *4. change caused by the object that changes

    Book II chapter 8:
    Against Darwinian evolution.

    2 types of Change:
    - alteration in persisting subject=primary substance. (e.g.: the making of a musical man)
    - "generation & corruption" = coming-to-be & passing-away (e.g.: when a person is born - extreme change)

  20. timlyg says:

    11/24/2015
    Paper 4: Something to do with the definition of Happiness.
    Prof. against some blogger named Amberton.

    Aristotle's Physics: Book 2
    Four Causes/explanations (aitia).
    2 Static Causes:
    1. Form
    2. Matter
    ====
    3. Moving/Efficient cause
    4. Final = that for the sake of which; the end; telos.

    Aristotle: "tode ti" = a this; some this or other.

    Aristotle was a pure teleologist. Proven by Darwin in 1859.
    Contrasting Design teleologist (Plato): caused by a conscious mind.
    Agnostic cannot be design, but could be pure teleologist.
    Prof. believes that Aristotle is close to agnostic.

  21. timlyg says:

    12/01/2015
    Teleology: Natural work processes for [something, goal, purpose, end].

    Darwin takes after Malthus.

    Aristotle says: Nature is like a doctor doctoring itself.

    Aristotle:
    1. All things that happen by nature, come to be either always or for the most part. [NATURE is regular]
    2. Nothing that happens by chance happens always or for the most part.
    3. Things that happen by nature are not the products of chance.
    4. Everything that happens, takes place either by chance or for something.
    5. (from 3&4) What happens according to nature is for something.

  22. timlyg says:

    12/03/2015
    Ousia = essence
    "Give us this day our DAILY (epi ousia) bread"

    Aristotle: 3 features of animal:
    1. perception
    2. desire
    3. locomotion

    Metaphysics: Book I: Chapter 9
    Doubling the explananda
    Plato's form & particular things is hard to bridge (recollection, participation, sharing). Aristotle says those relationship Plato gave between forms and particular things are mere metaphor.

    ===============
    De Anima

  23. timlyg says:

    12/08/2015
    Define Aristotle's soul. May be on final.

    De Anima: pg. 851,
    "...a this..." tode ti

    Soul is to the body as Form is to matter.
    Form and matter are almost 2 different words of the same thing.

    Note the differences:
    Body
    Natural body
    Natural body that is potentially alive (pg. 851)
    actuality (energeia)
    first actuality

    Potentiality/1st actuality/2nd actuality
    Example: I could learn to speak French/ I actually speak French/ Je sais...

    1st actuality: the state exemplified by having knowledge.
    2nd actuality: attending to what one knows

    3 kinds of souls:
    Plant (carry process of nutrition) -> animal (adds perception, locomotion, desire) -> human (adds reason).

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