The Origin of the Research University [Or development of Universities in the Western World in General]

by Clara Collier

Here's my summary on this interesting article:

The author, Clara Collier, sees these old universities as relic, contrasting research centers which were separate institutes from the universities at the time (pre-1800).

Early modern universities have four traditional faculties: Theology, law, medicine, and philosophy. The last one just means: everything from modern arts to sciences, from poetry to physics. And this last category was the least prestigious and worst attended: Professors were the least paid in this and only for lecturing. Research was done in their own time. For the sciences, one needs to go to the British Royal Society or the French Académie des sciences.

From the 16th century, starting with astronomy, such interest was pursued outside of universities. Copernicus, Brahe, Galileo all left their teaching job in universities for civil servants or court astronomers which paid more. Kepler had it worst as devout Lutheran yet excommunicated by Lutherans for taking Calvinistic view on the Eucharist, so he was never able to secure a university chair at all. Government-funded facilities were more successful than universities which became less popular in this field.

German universities were seen as factories during the second half (18th century) of the Age of Enlightenment. From an intellectual res publica to Immanuel Kant's fabrikenmäßig (in a factory). Cameralism (the science of public administration) was the goal. But this system eventually failed because professors (of whom many are incompetent) prefer their own hiring politics rather than handing the meritocratic decision to outsiders. This results in the state founded universities such as the University of Göttingen by George II of Britain and Hanover in the 1730s. These universities hired famous professors and were liberal in non-traditional subjects like modern history or applied mathematics. Göttingen had a modern academic research library, the largest in the world at the time, featuring breakthroughs such as organizing books on shelves by subjects with reference to a catalogue. Göttingen came to define the Enlightenment university.

Hanover prime minister, Gerlach Adolph von Münchhausen, was most responsible for introducing a new criterion for academic advancement: the publication record: Professors either publish or perish. Göttingen was for training ministers and attracting rich students from other German states who would come to spend money in Hanover. Fame was its cameralist currency and it worked very well.

Kant in his 1786 book The Metaphysical Foundations of Natural Science, “A doctrine/system is a complete understanding organized according to principles, then it's called science (Wissenschaft = science, systematic knowledge: [a German-language term that embraces scholarship, research, study, higher education, and academia]).” With the classicists, we get the seminar (in the field of classical philology, 1738, at Göttingen). The first seminar was state-funded specialized institutes for teacher training, following Prussia's pedagogical seminars. Teachers were trained to teach Latin and Greek at Gymnasien (advanced secondary schools). Then seminars evolved into collegia (introduced by classicist and archeologist Christian Gottlob Heyne) — private classes professors would teach to small groups of students for extra fees. Unlike formal university classes which were just lectures, collegia demanded active student participation. traditional practice of disputation was done as written assignments and critiqued by class peers. This novel approach in 1763 became the standard practice in Germany academia by the 19th century. More universities established philology seminars on the Göttingen model — Wittenberg, Erlangen, Kiel, Helmsted, and Halle.

Duke Karl August of Saxe-Weimar was a modern, enlightened ruler with a passion for acquiring famous intellectuals (at this point, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe was one of his ministers). Around 1798, he started to recruit a new crop of brilliant young scholars to his university: the playwright Friedrich Schiller, theologian Ernst Schleiermacher, philosophers Johann Gottlieb Fichte, G.W.F. Hegel, and F.W.J. Schelling, and the polymathic brothers Friedrich and August Wilhelm Schlegel. There's up and down (i.e. Schiller was bad at lecturing, Fichte was popular but resigned for being an atheist, etc.).

 In the Romantic worldview, the goal of education was not to memorize facts but rather to train the capacity to notice connections between them and incorporate new information into the same systematic framework. As Schelling wrote, “knowledge of the organic whole of all sciences must therefore precede a particular education focused on a single specialty.” Thus, the university which spread the universal pursuit of knowledge was to be preserved over specialized schools. Fichte's central idea was that universities should foster personal self-development (Bildung) as thinkers and scholars, but also as moral beings.

The university, Fichte’s friend Schleiermacher, the theologian wrote, “forms the transition between the time when a young man is first prepared for systematic knowledge, by his own studying and by acquiring a knowledge base, and the time when, in the prime of his in­tellectual life, he expands the field or adds on a beautiful new wing to the edi­fice of knowledge through his own research.” To Schleiermacher, academies of science are centers of research production, not universities.

By the end of the 18th century, the Napoleonic wars (subjugation of Prussia by Napoleon Bonaparte) killed off the old university system with all things French (utilitarian over medieval institutions). half of all German universities shut down. Halle, the centerpiece of Prussian academia, closed in 1806. Wilhelm von Humboldt, Prussian educational administrator, from 1809 to 1810, developed a plan for an institution (synthesizing universities and seminars) to be built in Berlin, modeled on the pedagogical vision of Schelling, Fichte, and Schleiermacher, but also inspired by his own alma mater, Göttingen. Thus, the University of Berlin was founded in 1810. It was like Göttingen but with philosophy, one of the four faculties, elevated to a more central intellectual role, however, students in the career-oriented law, theology, and medical faculties still outnumbered the philosophers.

Berlin also marked an important transition: from fraternity violence to paeans to the life of the mind. The Romanticism era. Berlin Ph.D.: Fichte not only insisted on offering the degree, but added two novel requirements: candidates needed to write their own dissertations — and they needed to be works of original research. This was a very big change. Like seminars, dissertations have their roots in the medieval disputation. Starting in the 16th century, German doctoral candidates would hold a disputation as part of their graduation ceremony. In these disputations, they would defend a set of theses — written by the presiding professor. Professors would produce tens of thousands of these — before journals were common, they were the predominant form of academic publication. However, they typically weren’t new contributions to human knowledge. The dissertation was a test of a candidate's ability to defend their mentor's work. The work itself didn’t have to be new.

True Bildung happened in lectures or seminar discussions where students and teachers could learn together directly. Schleiermacher was even opposed to writing down lecture notes in advance, since this would get in the way of the students “directly observing the activity of intelligence producing knowledge.”

The Americans: The founders of Johns Hopkins and the University of Chicago were explicitly built on German models. Charles Eliot, the president of Harvard from 1869 to 1909, was a committed Germanophile, and reformed Harvard’s graduate school along German lines. The whole institutional structure of American graduate education is German, from academic departments (an outgrowth of the seminar) to doctoral dissertations. It’s Humboldt’s world, and we’re just living in it.

Without [this history], German universities might well have been hollowed out and replaced with professional schools, as they were in France.

My conclusion: So basically, the Germans were responsible for universities/colleges today for not turning into mere trade schools. But I don't agree with the author that it is a good thing that the research university's real contribution is a world where scholars don’t have to be originals or geniuses to add their bricks to the edifice of human knowledge (though I’m sure it helps), as this actually degrades the research university: everyone gets an A as long as you put in the time, nobody will fail even if you are not mentally capable of it. True, there was greater reliance on unique few scholars outside of universities, and synthesizing specialization with such is a good introduction of great researches into universities; However, emphasizing system over individual risks encouraging mediocrity and bureaucracy. The author does, as Deepseek AI concurs, appear to be a pragmatic anti-elitist. Nevertheless, this is a good history lesson overall.

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On the Ministers Who Do Not Truly Care for the Sheep of the Lord

A few days ago, Rev. Lin of CCCNY asked me to be Stephen Tong's translator, because he is coming to CCCNY to preach this Sunday, due to the Concert Tour of GRII/STEMI. I thanked her for the honor but I rejected the offer due the fact that I've already promised Stephen (of my church at Grace) to take over the sound system for this week's service.

I do wonder, if Pak Tong was the one requesting to preach or Rev. Lin was the one asking him to. The latter seems more plausible, so this entry will presuppose that. If it's the former, it still wouldn't excuse the latter, for Rev. Lin could easily persuade otherwise, if she has any sense of preparation for the Glory instead of conservation of her buried talents: "Look Lord, this church still has its name after so many decades, lo, there thou hast that is thine." (Matthew 25:25)

At his age, Stephen Tong would still not mind to preach, even though he has said that he's done and it's time for new blood and for him to focus on using other means such as music for the glory of God. So I don't think he's at his prime to preach anymore according to his last rally here. Moreover, his goal this time is the concert, not preaching. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit (Matthew 7:18). Therefore, not only would Rev. Lin not produce any heir (pun intended) for the new generation of preachers over all these years, she has no shame in asking an old retired man to preach, making Stephen Tong work double shifts (preach by morning, conduct by night). This shows how little she cares actually for the Kingdom of God. I mean, who asks her visiting 85 year old grandpa to mow the lawn when she had 40 years prior to prepare for it?

Nadia and I have left the church for more than a decade now, yet no one from that church even bothered to ask why. What sort of ministerial leadership is this in a church? They would rather conclude their own slander: "They left because Nadia doesn't understand Chinese" even though she's been there fore 4 years prior. Rev. Lin couldn't even get it right as to whose the one who decided the leave: I or Nadia.

One telltale sign of such hired hands (John 10:12), in today's churches, is to see what does the minister do when a church member leaves all of a sudden. The common hired hands response would be: "They left us because they have been seduced by Satan, by the world". As if the minister's own church is truer than anywhere else. Very self-centered isn't it? This seems to be a very common American Reformed church habit. So it's not just on Laura Lin. But Tim Ferguson of Westfield OPC, Paul Murphy of NYC MERF, etc. Murphy maybe worse than Lin on this as he would justify himself: "Well, if you didn't become our official member, why should I care about you? That's not in my job description, that's not what I'm paid for." According to the logic from some of his sermons. Ferguson would at least give a "holier than thou" call: "Are you coming back to church, no? ok. Bye". Murphy (above my paygrade justification) and Lin ("Oh it must be because Nadia making you leave our church right?" - slander justification) could compete with each other to see who wins the trophy of the most convincing hired hand.

Another sign is that they have no zeal for bringing the Gospel themselves to others outside of the church. They would love to support evangelical groups. Rev. Lin is the worst kind I've seen, that doing the gospel is an "undesirable" labor that is done in obedience, and such "unpleasant" command will be rewarded one day, due to the fulfilment of such "unwanted" task. Instead of emmanuel, reward is the ultimate goal in life for people like her. Some may not support (not called to do so, allegedly) gospel ministries themselves but at least they would affirm its importance, that we must do with pleasure, this is already a very low bar, bordering unconverted ministry, so Rev. Laura Lin's even worse than this, turning her church CCCNY into a church that essentially praises man over Christ.

Of course, what people like her will always convince themselves is: "But I have given my life for the Lord, oh Lord, Lord, have I not done all these in my life, for your NAME?!" (Matthew 7:22)

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Vocabulary: 舉案齊眉

It signifies a marital relationship marked by mutual respect and harmony.

From China's 4 ugliest women story:

:將放置飯菜的木盤高舉,與眉平齊,為東漢孟光對其夫梁鴻敬愛的表示。典出《東觀漢記.卷一八.梁鴻列傳》。後用「舉案齊眉」比喻夫妻相敬如賓。

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Learning Android and Command Line Terminal

Every so often I would come across some command lines instructions for certain features in Android phones. I've never paid attention to it, until now. Thanks to this site. I may just try it for fun. I had always thought that I am missing something but not too essential.

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Journal of the Week

7/11/2025

Stephen Tong: Paul vs. James on Faith and Work. Paul's faith is not the same as James'; James' work (James 2) and Paul's is also not the same.

Paul's "work" in Romans, is referring to the self-righteous work. Alluding to the pharisaic righteousness (Romans 3, 4, 8), which Jesus commanded us to exceed.

James' "work" is the fruit of life.

##關於「行為」,羅馬書與雅各書的定義如何不同❓為何我們當謙卑學習❓(希伯來書要理問答 第761問)(此講原始影音嚴重不良,請多看文字內容)

James' "faith" is a fake one, an imitation, not related to grace nor salvation:

為何雅各說的信心是假信心,不同於保羅所講的真信心❓(希伯來書要理問答 第763問)(此講原始影音嚴重不良,請多看文字內容)

Therefore, do not also think that Paul's and James' were supplement to each other, because their terminologies are though same words used, but different meaning.

Stephen Tong incorrectly sourced this quote "Faith is the acceptance of acceptance" to Martin Luther. But it was actually Paul Tillich who said that in his sermon "You are Accepted", then published in his book "The Shaking of the Foundations" in 1948. "You are accepted, accepted by that which is greater than you, and the name of which you do not know... Simply accept the fact that you are accepted!" ~ Perplexity.ai

#保羅所講的信心是什麼意思❓馬丁路德有何獨到的見地❓(希伯來書要理問答 第762問)(此講原始影音嚴重不良,請多看文字內容)

7/9/2025 我今站在主的言語上 詩歌 short children's hymn. Also, if there's bad recording in Stephen Tong's series, STEMI Taiwan's youtube channel maybe a good place to find recovery, such as this one, on Hebrews 5

#站在上帝話語上而永不退卻、永不妥協的心,有多重要❓(希伯來書要理問答 第759問)(因此講原始影音嚴重不良,請多看文字內容。): Isaiah 56:7 House of Prayer vs. Sermon Preaching in the Church (minister of the Word)

#為何馬丁路德以不妥協的精神,強調行為與救恩不能相提並論❓(希伯來書要理問答 第760問)(因此講原始影音嚴重不良,請多看文字內容。)Why by grace alone (Sola Gratia) and yet I am working so hard? Tong: Many churches do not realize this, that Martin Luther though in shallowness, looked down on the book of James because of its emphasis on WORK, but in motive, Luther was greatly important to do so because our work has absolutely no part in the Gospel in God's grace. Because of Luther, the Catholics adjusted (for the better) their theology to put more emphasis on grace, though they still require work in salvation. Unfortunately, a couple hundred years later, the Lutheran also adjusted (for the worse) their theology, seeing that the book of James is also God's revelation, a sort of balancing act of God using James' notion of work and Paul's faith together.

Paraphrased from Perplexity.ai: Of course, the Catholics wouldn't admit that they "adjusted" their theology because of Luther, but rather: "Clarified" and "Reaffirmed" their own doctrine of grace and justification, in the Council of Trent (1545-1563), the counter-reformation movement: Though it affirms the necessity of grace, it conflates justification with sanctification in order to credit man's work. I would say that the Reformed compatibilism view trump this.

我今站在主的言语上, 虽世界过去或灭亡。 主的言语永远必长存, 我今站在主的言语上

7/8/2025 TUES Came across lots of shocking news (to me at least) regarding Ruby Franke, former youtuber of 8 Passengers channel. A mormon mother who shared her family life on Youtube. She's now imprisoned, and apparently estranged from all her children and especially her oldest daughter, Shari, who wrote a book (The House of My Mother, A Daughter's Quest for Freedom, apparently the book was actually written by the ghost writer Caroline Ryder) about it. I would probably expand any detail of this here instead of creating a new entry. Also, this is a reminder to me that it is crucial to really download any important/interesting/good Youtube videos, because Youtube really would just ban/delete/remove/cancel videos they don't like at any time.

There are tons of videos about this news, even movies and TV documentary series made.

After watching the Hulu Series: Devil in the Family - The Fall of Ruby Franke. I think it's possible that Jodi Hildebrandt was truly possessed by demons and Ruby fell for it.

7/7/2025 Mon

Charlie Kirk mentioned ESOP to a guy in Che Guevara (Argentinian/Cuban Marxist) T-shirt, after asking Kirk about the Mondragon Corporation in Spain (founded by a priest) which Kirk criticized as "widely inefficient". ESOP is what my company SP has started using a couple of years back. This was after dealing with the Marxist audience with the concept of ESPP (Employee Stock Purchase Program) being practiced in Florida already by Publix (grocery store).

Another interesting public exchange by Charlie Kirk is the one labeled "Can you Be a Christian and a Nationalist". This has been a particularly interesting topic for me due to the recent debate between Stephen Wolfe (proponent of Christian Nationalism) and Chris Gordon.

My take: Charlie Kirk is good, but he actually lost this one in general. His fundamentalist mentality cause him to make false accusations here and there of his interlocutor, without deeper thinking (viz. low IQ).

In this case Nick wins the general argument. I'm not sure if Nick's a lefty or a Catholic, but his argument is more reformed than Kirk's. Kirk argued as if America = the Church. He miscited (he said in City of God, 3rd Chapter) Augustine's Just War Theory. He misinterpreted ekklesia (Matthew 16:18) as government instead of church, an apparently fundamentalist low IQ view of Israel/nation vs. the Church. Nick should have stuck to Israel being the shadow type of the Church. And that Christian Nationalism is simply man's work, rather than God's work to bring God's kingdom to Earth.

7/6/2025 Sun

2nd time a new family visited our church today. Orlando was the one I spoke to first. I believe the one called 伊莎贝拉, is the wife, whose sister is 娜塔莉 (Thanks to Nadia for helping me remember), whose husband, 弗朗西斯, whose little boy is Calvin. Chinese transliteration for privacy.

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Book Review: Counterfeit Gods by Timothy Keller

I haven't read the book, but summaries and reviews I've read show that this perhaps Keller's best work.

I'll use Daniel Im's summary for now, highlighting his famous quotes from the book:

  • An idol is something we cannot live without. We must have it.
  • Anything can serve as a counterfeit god, especially the very best things in life.
  • Definition: An idol is anything more important to you than God. Anything that absorbs your heart and imagination more than God. Anything you seek to give you what only God can give. Anything that is so central and essential to your life, that should lose it, your life would feel hardly worth living.
  • If I have that [idol], then I will feel like my life has meaning. Then I’ll know I have value. And I’ll feel significant and secure.
  • The Bible uses three basic metaphors to talk about how people relate to the idols of their hearts: they love idols, trust idols, and obey idols. Spiritual adultery.
  • Idols give us a sense of being in control and we can locate them by looking at our nightmares: What do we fear the most? What if we lost it would make life not worth living?
  • Idols control us since we feel like we must have them or life is meaningless.
  • Whatever controls us is our Lord. The person who seeks power is controlled by power. The person who seeks acceptance is controlled by the people he or she wants to please. We do not control ourselves, we are controlled by the lord of our lives.
  • We will always be disappointed by idols, there are four things you can do: You can blame the things that are disappointing you and try to move on to better ones (that’s the way of continued idolatry and spiritual addiction), you can blame yourself and beat yourself (that’s the way of self loathing and shame), you can blame the world (that’s how you get hard, cynical, and empty), or you can reorient the entire focus of your life on God.
  • Jesus warns people far more often about greed than about sex, yet almost no one thinks they’re guilty of it.
  • Tithing is a minimum standard for Christian believers.
  • There’s only one way to change at the heart level…and that’s through the gospel.
  • One sign that you’ve made success an idol is the false sense of security it brings. The poor and the marginalized expect suffering. They know that life on this earth is nasty, brutish, and short. Successful people are much more shocked and overwhelmed by troubles: Life isn’t supposed to be this way.
  • It’s a lust…a longing to be inside...Until you conquer the fear of being an outsider, an outsider you will remain ~ C.S. Lewis.
  • It is impossible to understand a culture without discerning its idols.
  • When you pray and hope for something and you don’t get it and you respond with explosive anger or deep despair, then you may have found your real god [idol].
  • What are you looking to in order to justify yourself? It is a counterfeit god.
  • You may know about the love of Christ with your head, but not your heart. How can that be remedied? This takes spiritual disciplines.
  • Spiritual disciplines are forms of worship. And it is worship that is the final way to replace the idols of your heart. You can’t just get relief by figuring out your idols intellectually. You have to actually get the peace that Jesus gives…and that only comes when you worship. analysis can help you discover truths, but then you have to pray them into your heart. That takes time.
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Youtube Monetization

To do so, I need 1000 Subscribers and 4000 views in the last 12 months, according to google AI.

Currently I'm at 342 subscribers and I wasn't even promoting my channel. I think most of these could be bots or some spammer accounts. And I doubt I will reach 4000 views in a year, as my contents really are just for my own diary and online storage, with important ones double backed up to local drives, just in case.

I do plan to play all the hymns on Youtube, read Psalms, etc. That would probably the only self benefiting thing I do on social media that I would care to share with the public in a more professional (I will try) fashion.

But I'll note this here just so I can monitor how many subscribers I'm getting, either more or less.

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On Multiple Social Media accounts

Some think it's dishonest. I think they couldn't think deeper.

One main reason, would be due to the fact that social medias love to block, ban, delete contents/accounts of people whom they disagree with. In that case, I would either need to keep a local backup of everything I posted/followed/saved/etc. or simply have various personas which I monitor to be as consistent as the social media's "policy" as possible. So, time and energy saved, is a wiser move.

So let the shallow thinkers play safe or have their time wasted.

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BigScreen VR Ministry

This is not a justification for not doing evangelism outside in real life. However, it is interesting when in the last few months in 2025, I find lots of advantage in evangelism training using BigScreen.

About a month ago, I created a room called "Ask a Christian - I'll answer you if I know", I've had a young boy from Buffalo joining in, even when I limited the room to only two people. He's probably around 10-13. Seemed to be Caucasian, telling me that he's a Christian who's trying to look for a good church, but his parents brought him to a black church and they weren't comfortable in it. He then asked me about science vs. faith and Trinity.

A few weeks later, an agnostic (adult Scottish?) had me telling him that you need faith even in science, using the classic sitting on a chair by faith example. He was also delighted to engage in and he shared an interesting Youtube video which I do like, on introductions to Christian denominations in 12 minutes, by Redeemed Zoomer:

I've since subscribed to Redeemed Zoomer's Youtube and this is his bio:

I am a Presbyterian seminary student training for ministry in the PCUSA, (Presbyterian Church USA) but I completely oppose the theological liberalism that has hijacked it. I have made it my mission to restore it. My theology is Reformed/Calvinist, but I am very ecumenical and open to learning from other Christian traditions. I am a regular gen Z (zoomer) who was raised in a very secular progressive culture. I was once a leftist, but came to know Christ as a teenager which alienated me from my community. I've dedicated all my life since then to learning the things of God and finding creative ways to share what I know with others.

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Journal of the Week

7/2/2025 Stephen Tong on Hebrews 5:13 凡只能吃奶的都不熟练仁义的道理,因为他是婴孩

Tong: Those who only preach the love of God, he has never truly loved his own church. Those who preach the righteousness of God, always come before God in holiness.

Tong: Why the pagans come before God in fear in the face of disasters while [childish] Christians, instead of "opportunity to suffer for God", blaming God, why? 不熟练仁义的道理. What did Paul say in Acts 24:25 before high officials, "...of righteousness, temperance, and judgment to come!":

7/1/2025 So Tesla celebrated their first driverless Y-model car "delivery" service. This link includes the 3 minute video of the whole process. My only problem with this demo of theirs is how is the end transaction of so called "delivery" done? The end of the video only shows the arrival of destination where the crew claps and opened the driver's door. This is just a demo of robot/driverless auto driving from point A to point B. There were other videos of driverless taxi on Youtube already, chiefly pertaining to Waymo's self-driving taxies.

6/30/2025 I had another entry about this piece Czardas by Vittorio Monti, now again I'm reminded by the same Timothy Chooi, the famous part is around @2:00:

6/30/2025 Art of the day: "The Broad and the Narrow Way", English version of the German pietist image "Der schmale und der breite Weg", Print made by Anonymous artist, Published by Gawin Kirkham and Printed by the Headly Brothers, Issued in 1883, Lithograph on paper

This piece is referencing Matthew 7:13-14. When I saw this in my inbox I immediately was reminded of the same photo I took at Clyde's Deaconry, now in my 2023 General album: 20231014_160053.jpg. It was on sale for $10. I didn't buy. I didn't expect it to be a popular piece.

By Fr. Patrick van der Vorst, using Matthew 8:18-22 "Follow me" theme:

Our moralising print issued in 1883 offers a vivid allegorical panorama, illustrating the stark choice between worldly pleasure and virtuous living. The composition is divided into two contrasting paths. On the left, a grand, wide gate opens to the enticing road of earthly delights. Its path is smooth and alluring, but drawing crowds toward distant mountains consumed by fire and destruction. The sky above this side grows increasingly ominous, symbolising the ultimate ruin that follows a life of indulgence. In contrast, the right side presents a narrow, humble gate, barely noticeable, leading to a steep and arduous road. This path winds past a cross, traversing bridges, valleys, and rocky terrain, symbolising the trials of a virtuous life. Yet above it, the heavens glow with peace and light, revealing that this difficult road leads to eternal joy and union with God. The contrast between darkness and light in the sky above each path powerfully underscores the eternal consequences of our choice: to follow Christ or not.

6/29/2025 We have a missionary, Barry Schutter, who was from GCC long ago, whose work is in London, preaching at our church today. His Sunday School presentation was great, one of the few best from the list we have so far of missionary ministries our church support. Because it looks like he really go out there on the streets to do evangelism, an active role. His sermon also displayed such calling. They have this program called LEAP where they take visiting Christians such as us to experience their London ministry alongside them. His sermon was on the Great Commission of Matthew 28, and on the missionary John Gibson Paton.

I finally got the chance when the pastor has another round of congregant's choice of hymns today. I immediately shouted out #42. Which is the Charismatic favorite modern piece: El Shaddai. My favorite as well, which I discovered, surprisingly in our PCA hymnal the last time the pastor did this hymnals by request thing. I've practiced it on piano ever since. The funny thing is I wasn't aware that the pastor was unfamiliar with this piece (this is popular in the early 90s, mainly among Charismatics) so he was shocked as well @8:00 when most of the congregation (I wonder who) were able to sing this piece well enough. I also loved the way Patty played it on the piano.

Gn. stayed longer in the fellowship meal and helped clean out garbage, out of my expectation.

Nadia seems to think things are against her today: She talked to E. about Joy but failed to convince her that our church lacks caring heart as Joy would likely have put it.

Met some folks from the founding of this church, Ken & Linda (now at South Ridge Community Church in Clinton, probably non-denominational), and there could be others, who came to visit due to Barry Schutter. There's a family of new comers whom I've forgotten their names, I believe their baby's name was Calvin.

Update 11/13/2025 This is a long awaited one, a criticism on Barry Schutter. Upon mentioning to Steve, I think, about our church's need for ministering to the kids, such as Children's Sunday School during sermon session, Barry Schutter interrupted with the term "Parenting in the pews", as if that's the more ideal approach, but he was facing Steve instead of me when he said it, he also stressed that he's not going to be dogmatic about it, as if he's trying to avoid conflict. I didn't respond at the time as I knew about Parenting in the Pews, first heard from some ultra conservative group on Facebook(run by Scott Brown) that promoted homeschooling, didn't quite agree with the way they presented parenting in the pews, but also wasn't interested enough to look into it at the time. Now, I could easily point now Barry Schutter's error: "Of course it shouldn't be dogmatic, because parenting in the pews is nothing but an IDOLATRY! If the children aren't learning anything substantial from the Bible after a Sunday Service. Something I call a Baptist oversight/error." I like Schutter's approach in evangelism and he probably taught his children about the Bible at home, but he failed horribly on this one. This is also why I think a lot of children of elders and pastors (especially of the very conservative churches) are hell-bound.

A quick AI look up on Parenting in the Pews (ClaudeAI) shows that the origin of such is not Reformed, but Baptist. If that is true, it's not surprising of the obtuse origin. The idea is to discipline children to worship corporately from an early age. This is emphasized in the late 20th century and especially from the homeschooling movement of the 80s & 90s and the family-integrated church movement in Baptist/non-denominational churches. Reformed took a more diverse approach: Catechism classes with age-appropriation alongside services. The Dutch and the Calvinists (Geneva) instructed children separately from adult services; while the Scottish Presbyterian developed Sunday School program in the 19th century. It seems that the conservative Reformed churches that practice family-integrated service are under Baptist influence. Continental Reformed generally separates worship education according to age. Here's Claude AI summary:

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Baptist emphasis:

  • Family as primary ecclesiastical unit
  • Parents as primary disciplers
  • Skepticism of "delegating" spiritual formation

Reformed emphasis:

  • Church as covenant community (broader than nuclear family)
  • Parents AND church officers share teaching responsibility
  • Corporate worship AND catechetical instruction

Conclusion

While both traditions value children in worship, the specific "parenting in the pews" movement and rhetoric is more Baptist/Evangelical in flavor. Reformed churches traditionally kept children in worship as baptized covenant members, but were more flexible about age-appropriate instruction methods.

The modern "family-integrated church" push is largely a Baptist corrective to the perceived excesses of age-segregated programming, which then influenced some Reformed churches secondarily.

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My conclusion: Parenting in the Pews is only good if some child is wise enough to evaluate the quality between the children catechism class and the preacher's adult sermon, and given the choice to choose the more edifying one. So it's not all bad, but in general, especially the way it's defined in modern conservatism, it's bad.

The Baptist way in this parenting in the pews, if successful (that their children stayed in the faith growing up), would generally lead to an anti-intellectual route, because it can only become more tribal if the foundation is just family integration. Fools would still run this program. If failure, perhaps it's a good thing, because though some children would grow up being anti-Christian (which is the origin of most American atheists), so now we know this Baptist way doesn't work.

The Reformed way, if failed, than it's because of the program, which the Baptists fear and are rightly skeptical of. If successful, then it is certainly way better than the "parenting in the Pews" approach.

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