Impeccability of Christ: Was it possible for Christ to Sin = Was Christ able to Sin?

This is a topic too large to be inserted into the PCA Ad Interim Report on Human Sexuality entry, which was the cause of this research. I will as organized as I could, make this a well informed entry on the subject. I was planning to make this short as my usual habit and principle, but based on my study, that is not possible for me to do. However, I would try to bring the main points up as early as possible, so that the tedious details would not interfere, as I want to be as thorough on this as possible.

This is a debate among reformed theologians. Or rather, opposing views are held among them because I am not aware of such debate, person to person but merely by articles written from each side of the opposing parties responding to each other, mostly indirectly. And I can assume that they would agree that this is a minor difference that a church should not split over, which I would concur. But as all things that concern God are serious, this is my due diligence: I dug through online resources, long articles, wrote to inquire a few whom I have great confidence in: i.e. Joseph Nally of Thirdmill, Alex Tseng (to my surprising gratitude and joy, he was more than willing to respond to my FB PM). I will account for my experience and all that I've learned in this long entry.

Reformed theologians who are the
peccability advocates (Jesus incarnate, had the ability to sin while on Earth): Stephen Tong (I'll also paste it in the comment incase the link broke), R.C. Sproul, Steve Cavallaro
Impeccability advocates: Kevin DeYoung, Joseph Nally (his article), W. G. T. Shedd, Carlton Wynne, John Owen, Bavinck

(Bavinck's The Divine and Human Nature of Christ: ...Even though He was in possession of the not-able-to-sin state of being...) Later in the same paragraph, great insight - because of His weak human nature, the possibility of being tempted and of suffering and dying. We say that it was possible that the incarnate Son to be tempted, even if we must speak of the impeccability of Christ. This is different than saying God cannot be tempted, not to mention that impeccability/peccability shouldn't even be applied to God.

I would add that though they may be on the same team (either for team peccability or team impeccability), it doesn't necessarily mean that they would agree with each other on the subject. For example: Carlton Wynne criticized Shedd's argument which DeYoung espoused, though they are both on the same team. Also, I've noticed that those who hold to the impeccability of Christ, may not have sufficient grasp of what they believe or are talking about. For example: They consider the impeccability of Christ no different to the impeccability of God. I shall share my experience of such encounters as best and constructive as possible.

First, these are established with most certainty through Reformation tradition:

The last one, the Impeccability of Christ, will be the focus of this study, as I make the other aforementioned points relevant to this.

Since I am certain now I have no problem with the impeccability of Christ, though I must say I also have no problem with the peccability of Christ, I will illustrate this first with St. Augustine's 4 stages of human free will (slightly off topic: The opponent of this is John Cassian - a Semi-Pelagianist, which I won't cover here, nor have I yet looked into):

 Pre-Fall ManPost-Fall ManReborn ManGlorified Man
able to sin
(posse peccare)
able to sinable to sinable to not sin
(posse non peccare)
able to not sin
(posse non peccare)
unable to not sin
(non posse non peccare)
able to not sin
(posse non peccare)
unable to sin
(non posse peccare)

Now according to Augustine's "chart", the sinless state of a man would be pre-fall and glorified stages. This is where the debate lies: Peccability advocates equate the incarnate Son's will with the pre-fall state, hence Jesus' human nature was made/created to be the same as the first Adam, pre-fall; while impeccability advocates place Jesus's incarnate state as the glorified state, hence Jesus' human nature was made/created to be not the same as the first Adam. This is why I have no reason to reject either impeccability or peccability of Christ just yet: Since either state does not discount Jesus as fully human. The glorification state proves that the ability to sin is not native to human nature.

Dr. Tseng explained the position for impeccability well: Adam fell and became corruptible [Human nature of] Christ was created to be impeccable, but inherited from Adam the corruptibility (physical decay) that resulted from the fall. Christ was raised to become incorruptible, as he overcame sin through death by his impeccable holiness as a man. The four stages of posse/non posse was a result of God’s decision and design by his potentia ordinata [ordained power of God, contrasting potentia absoluta - absolute power of God, what he could have done - prior to ordinata]. There is no inner necessity for God to make Christ tread the same path as Adam. In many ways, Christ was the very reverse of Adam.
Adam: peccable + incorruptible
Christ: impeccable + corruptible

That follows: In our glorious state, we would naturally become impeccable and incorruptible under his potentia ordinata. Although, I am not going to argue about Adam's incorruptible state (I am of the idea that Adam was originally corruptible [Genesis 3:22] but had the chance for incorruptibility, an opportunity he ruined in his fall), which is a debate for another topic. According to incorruptibility of Adam due to God's grace, I would allow it. But like peccability, I sometime fear that the definition for incorruptibility may have been abused here as well: i.e. would not have been corrupted does not imply incorruptibility. When I define impeccability or incorruptibility, I define it as not just without such "tendency", but also without the ability to, like man has no ability to fly = involarility (I made up the word from Latin). I'm not talking about flying in an airplane or gliding with a contraption. I meant that it's ontologically inaccurate for man to fly. Man is involarible. It is nonsensical to tempt a man to fly (of course, I'm not talking about the want to fly here). It's not that I would not fly, but I could not fly. Therefore, I suspect this debate may lack clear, agreeable definition on the word: peccability/impeccability. But then if there is difference in definition, it would appear that the peccability advocates realize the difference better than the impeccability advocates who hold to shallow definition: He could not have sinned vs. He would not have sinned. I shall not stop here however, in order to help clarify everything, regardless of agreement in definition.

But one would wonder, does Jesus' impeccability have to do with his divine nature or his human nature? The short answer is both, it cannot be just one or the other. Now here's the part that goes beyond logic, supra-logical: Persons sin, not nature. Jesus is the second person in the Trinity, this second person is God. However, Jesus' human nature which along with His divine nature make up His person in hypostatic union, is not part of the Trinity. The human nature of Christ had a beginning (the moment of incarnation) and is therefore not eternal: body, mind and will. In light of this, we cannot discount Christ's human nature even though his divine nature overcomes His human nature in the hypostatic union. There is certainly no question, that God is impeccable to sin. In fact, My understanding of this is closer to Stephen Tong's, as opposed to most others' view on God's sovereignty. Others would say, that even God is not absolutely free. I beg to differ, God is absolutely free, but He self-limits (freely binds) Himself. Therefore, I would not say that God is not absolutely free because He cannot sin, as others would. I would say that God is absolutely free but He is beyond hamartiology - the logical study of sin, the concept of sin. God is the creator of logic, He is the creator of the sense of sin. It is like the "Can God create a boulder so heavy He couldn't lift", you do not ask a painter if he could paint a boat that runs faster than the painter, unless you expect him to paint himself into the painting. Therefore, you do not ask if God could sin, it's simply invalid, in this sense, I agree that God is not able to sin, which is not a limitation on His sovereignty. And when God interacts with His creation, He does it in a very self-restrictive sense (potentia ordinata), such that His creatures could perceive Him and his actions. Self-imposed limitation does not constitute limitation on His sovereign will. So the divine nature pertaining to impeccability is never to be questioned.

It is fine I suppose, if one overlooks Christ's human nature, when speaking of His impeccability, nonetheless, one must not fall into the heresies of Apollinarism and turn Jesus' human nature to somewhat divine (God wearing a human "suite") or Monophysitism/Eutychian's theanthropic nature (a mixed God-man nature = tertium quid) or Monothelitism (two natures but one will), and all heresies that lead one to think that Christ's human nature is not creaturely, not created, and hence, not fully human. Therefore, if you were to say that the incarnate Christ's human nature is different from Adam's, you cannot think of that as an uncreated/non-created form. You can say that it is equivalent to the glorified state of man, which is still creaturely. This is most obviously noted in the Council of Chalcedon (451), and followed by Extra Calvinisticum, a title Lutherans gave Calvinists in their debate against Lutheran's consubstantiation: human body cannot be omnipresent in the bread, which would require divine attribute which cannot be contained in Christ's human nature and thus, outside (extra), not part of His human nature. The two natures are not confused, mixed together in hypostatic union. To argue a non-creaturely human nature, is to apply divine attribute to the human nature, which cannot be.

As a side note on the creatureliness of Christ's human nature: Now to give Stephen Tong some credit on whether Jesus' human nature was created or not, when some claimed that he is close to Apollinarianism , I would ask what was Jesus' human nature based on pertaining to the image and likeness of God? For Adam, we know that the image and likeness of God is not prototyped upon Adam, but God. But how would the image and likeness of God relate to the human nature of Jesus, whose personhood surely must have been the prototype of such himself. The image and likeness of God are not ex nihilo, so though created, Adam's nature was never totally ex-nihilo as the animals and plants and rocks, if so, what of Jesus' human nature?

One could simply conclude the Impeccability of Christ this way: Christ's personhood is different than our personhood in that not only we do not have the divine nature as Christ did, our human nature, even Adam's pre-fall nature, is not the same as that of Christ's, whose human nature was the prototype for our human nature-to-be in our glorification.

Though on the glorification state of human nature, I do wonder, what non posse peccare truly means? Do we consider it as a reduction of ability - unable to sin, as if it's a lesser state of human nature or something else? I once concluded that this was simply the grace of God's presence. God is always with us in glorification, hence God's presence overwhelms our ability to a point that sin is absolutely not possible, rather than an inability to sin. This human nature is of course, difference than the impeccability of God - God can't sin because attributes of creation do not apply to a creator.

Recent conversation with folks at church was interesting. The argument most of them presented for the impeccability of Christ begged me to ask the question: Do you think Christ's human nature was created? To which one answered: No. Because his argument for Christ's impeccability was no different than the argument for God's impeccability, which I certainly have no issue with. But Christ's impeccability is not the same as God's impeccability, simply because of Christ's dual natures. Maybe similar, but there must be a difference, as slight as they could be. As a result, I wonder perhaps there are many who hold to the impeccability of Christ, but would not accept that Christ's human nature was created, this is more of a statistical thing for me, from observation. I see no reason to, though tempting at times, staple them with the label "Apollinarianism" on this, because like some Arminians (ask them if they think they are worthy enough to be saved), they may have the right concept, but the wrong/different vocabulary to communicate, thanks to Babel. They would wonder, to some indefinite extend, how Christ laughed, cried, angered, etc. like we do.

If I were to defend the peccability of Christ simply because some have accused this as giving a sort of uncertainty to Christ's trials in temptation, as if we had to worry at first and then experienced a great relief when He passed those temptations, my argument would be: No, there was no need for worry, because possibility to sin does not imply positive probability to sin or vice versa. I can manipulate the probability of a coin toss by introducing interference so that it is always heads instead of tail, but this does not imply that the coin has no tails, it is still possible that the coin has both head and tail rather than both heads. The probability can still be zero regardless of Christ's human ability to sin, because of God's grace upon the incarnate Christ since birth. Therefore, from the position of the peccability of Christ, it was a different grace for the incarnate Son than that for Adam, as opposed (or not necessarily oppose) to Christ having a different human nature than Adam's where one was impeccable while the other was peccable, per the impeccability advocates.

When we use the term "possible to", it means having the ability to. Could. They are of the same meaning.

Also, could Christ get sick (harmed, injured, etc.)? If not, then one can only argue he's not the human in Adam's state, but in the glorified state, otherwise, that would make Christ not human. If he could get sick, then how is he impeccable on one hand and capable of getting sick (or corruptible) on the other? I find that the best solution is God's special grace again, which can also be translated into the glorified state of man. Union with God. The confusion of the two natures just seem like or close to the violation of the Chalcedonian formula as Steve Cavallaro puts it.

Now let's debate maturely:

What should be said of Christ's obedience on Earth, if He's impeccable? If He was impeccable, by definition, there is no need to speak of Christ's obedience. In what sense did Christ obey God? Of Christ's triumph and victories as man on Earth, are they who deny His peccability then not able to relate Christ's victories to their own works in Christ? Are not the experience of Holy Spirit led triumphs in worldly struggle lacking in these folks? Would this tempt us to do shallow superficial works of God and not live a life of sacrifice and love that is fully dependent on God. Or is it easier to say: That I have failed because I'm a man, Jesus did not fail, could not, because He's...well...impeccable. Not my business, I just repent and move on, no need to use an impossible model as my role model. Is there truly no relationship between Christ's HUMAN nature and ours?

Now if we are to be strict about the terms we use, then when we say, Christ was tempted, we speak of Christ as a person. Not just His human nature. But when we speak of His person, we inevitably involve the eternal Son, the divine nature, where sin is invalid such that impeccability is obvious. So in this sense, since nature do not sin, persons do, we do not consider either His human or divine nature only, but the person, whom the divine nature overpowers. As far as his human nature goes: Herman Bavinck puts it this way: his human nature became “the splendid, willing organ of his deity.” So Satan wasn't just merely tempting the man Jesus, he was also tempting the second person of the Trinity, he was tempting God. In this sense, Jesus was impeccable. But I feel that this is just a play of terminology at this point. By my current understanding, Satan never nor would ever tempt God. Satan, a pure spiritual creature, at best would disagree with or disapprove of God (i.e. book of Job), but as far as tempting goes, I fail to see such example in the Bible unless you refer to the temptation of Christ. But one could easily say, Satan was tempting the man Jesus rather than the confusion of the God Jesus due to the reference to the person of Jesus. Since the mysterious hypostatic union must be involved in this, then I think Tong's phrase is most apt: Impeccability of Christ? Ontologically (divine nature), Yes. Logically (human nature), No. Since Ontological essence supersedes the logical one, Jesus was impeccable.

According to Carlton Wynne, an impeccability advocate, Both camps run the risk of reaching their conclusions by expanding one nature beyond its proper limit such that it overtakes and diminishes the other. The most severe distortions are committed by peccability advocates who discount Christ’s divine person as the subject of Christ’s incarnate activity. Wynne continued with another quote: As Geerhardus Vos explains, “Will or intellect or emotion in the human nature could not have sinned unless the underlying person had fallen from a state of moral rectitude.”

At every turn of proper arguments for impeccability, especially done by Wynne, I was able to struggle with counter equivalence from the perspective of God's grace, God's indwelling presence with pre-fall Adam contrasting with fallen men (grace from a distant), and that of Christ's (pre-fall condition at the very least, if not more just for the sake of accommodating impeccability) so that I will still be operating with the understanding of Christ's fully human nature without fail. Therefore, when Carlton said "In assuming a human nature and all of its essential attributes, the divine Son lived, obeyed, and suffered as one whose human will was a creaturely organ of the eternal Son, assumed “inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly,” and “inseparably”15 to himself as a member of the Godhead", was he referring to the creaturely organ as a member of the Godhead? Or did I read it wrong. Language can be a tricky thing. If he did, then we have serious disagreement here, being that I hold Christ's incarnate human nature not part of the trinity. I add the word incarnate here to sympathize with Tong's argument for the uncreated image and likeness of the second person of the Trinity in Christ's humanity, if we are to ponder on the meaning of "humanity" without the notion of incarnation if possible, from the perspective of the image of God, which is another can of worms, I believe. But it need not be discussed here.

Wynne basically criticized his impeccability fellows such as Shedd, for explaining Christ’s victory over temptation in terms of divine assistance, as though his divine powers commandeered his humanity at the moment of severest anguish. Of which I see parallel to my God's grace theory. And Wynne argues to situating Christ’s impeccability as a consequence of his divine person’s having taken on a human mind and will in the incarnation carries significant advantages over alternative proposals by impeccability advocates. Basically, Wynne puts emphasis of the person on the divinity more than the humanity, I believe, which maybe problematic - such as seeing the humanity (or will) as a mere creaturely organ, that may or may not be part of the Godhead. Wynne also further made this additional case to make his take on this more glorious: The divine Son was truly tempted in his humanity, making his triumph over sin and suffering all the more glorious. This I feel is more acceptable for peccability advocates rather than impeccability. There need not be degree of glory for the divine person, if nothing (i.e. human nature) of the person is peccable. I'm not even going to try to justify either sides under potentia ordinata, rather than potentia absoluta, because I think the concept of potentia absoluta though feasible logically, is still not sufficient for a Creator of logic.

I wonder if the impeccability advocates build their foundation from John Owen's works, mainly On Temptation:...Christ had the suffering part of temptation only; we have the sinning part also...which led to the discussion of what is temptation. And it was then broken down into two parts: Internal & external temptations, which was brought up in the PCA's ad interim report. In short, Christ did not have the internal temptation as we do. This internal temptation, I view as God's curse or God's turning His back in separation from mankind.

My critic on Wynne's: Our desperate situation signals our need for a Redeemer whose own volitional orientation was equally vulnerable to temptations, but whose moral rectitude impelled him to resist all of their allure. This we find in Christ alone...."Christ's unyielding will...his stubborn refusal to yield... Vulnerable, impelled, unyielding, obedience, free human will, these are the languages that implies peccability. I would love Wynne to elaborate.

Wynne's argument appear to not be far from my peccability of Christ understanding. His last statement: When we see him, we will be like him (1 John 3:2) and will no longer be able to sin. What a glorious day that will be. begs the question of the mysterious last state of human free will in God, unable to sin. Which I still struggle to understand: be it a complete removal of such ability or just simple an eternally perpetual ignorance of it in full union with God?

Conclusion, the impeccability advocates have yet to present a strong argument against peccability of Christ. The best argument is only the word play with the personhood of Christ - person sins, nature does not. But that is insufficient to uncover the humanity of Christ fully, for Satan was tempting the incarnate one, not God, or not just God if one must insist. While DeYoung and Shedd imagine a supercharged human nature from Jesus' divine nature (hence essentially equivalent to my "Grace of God theory Luke 2:40"), Wynne arguments just seem to be shifted to no different than the peccability advocates. As far as peccability goes, since all the arguments posted against the peccability advocates are largely agreed already by the peccability advocates, I feel that the peccability advocates know better at what they are talking about more than the impeccability advocates, rather than vice versa. Therefore, I don't mind taking both positions, due to the validity of both sides' claims in these ways, as long as the peccability advocates do not consider Jesus' peccability pertained to an uncertainty outcome, or the impeccability advocates do not hold Jesus' humanity, human mind, will, to be uncreated/non-creaturely. I believe it comes down to the semantic of the word impeccable after sufficient resources have been exhausted.

Practical Lessons:

This semantic is like an illusion of the Spinning Dancer (She's both spinning clockwise and also counter-clockwise: see animation below), so we best treat arguments like this with much kindness and not superiority or jealousy of knowledge.

Prayer:

I must pray that this understanding only draws me closer to God, to walk with God. That I know Thou will for me, what Thou find beautiful in me. And in all things I do, I seek impeccability before Thee, never leave me, command me to not be bored away from Thee. Have me not be led into haughtiness of shallow knowledge in loyalty such that I underestimate even the Devil, but always be confident in fear and humility of Thy knowledge in faithfulness which I am always growing in but never fully ascertain. Mortify my self indulgence, my hedonistic pursuit, but never wanting a moment of joy to be lost in Thy bosom, in Thy union, oh Blessed Savior my God! Amen!

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First Black Hole Image

So using EHT (Event Horizon Telescope) technique, the first black hole image was remarkable. It's said that they could even take a very clear image of a donut on the Moon. EHT is not your conventional telescope with lenses. It's a network of radio telescopes or rather observatories, synchronized to produce such images.

I guess the next time I'm out, I'll with my own telescope look at Sagittarius A* and pretend I saw the black hole as well.

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The Common Factors of Interracial Marriage

A long time ago, I've observed one common thing interracial marriage today shares (particularly Asian & Caucasian, regardless of which gender side): That at least one of them has to be a liberal. I've rarely encounter, in fact, I cannot call a single one from my memory, where both of them would be conservative, or not liberal. Had I married one of such, I believe I would be the liberal one, at least for a while and would perhaps be smart enough to look for a liberal one as well.

The conservatives/non-liberals may not consider interracial marriage as an option, unless the opposite side is very confident and consistent in his pursuit. In general, not universal. It is the mindset genetic encoded within the Western culture particularly in America. If they are opposites, then the marriage may not last. For the non-liberal one may begin to see the destructive problem of the liberal and may not tolerate further.

Now if they are both non-liberals somewhat, then there may be a chance for a lasting marriage. But they would have to both come from a rather open family background or there maybe struggles with the in-laws, not just in the common in-laws problem, but in political manner as well. Political not as in politics of the country, but politics of human nature, of family, of life.

I believe there those who are both very conservatives. Such is rare and of my curious interest to study, should I meet one.

The common liberal directions of xenophiles are: the more different the better - belief in evolution, hence my Caucasian counterpart is of a one branch of species beyond human family tree, while myself another offshoot of a different ape, humanoid ancestry from a different branch of species originated somewhere else on the planet. Heck, let's imagine intergalactic relationship if it is possible - inter-alien relationship from outer space - Star Trek went there already. Superiority, unique, etc. White folks love Asians for specific reasons. Marry a Japanese wife, they behave better as a wife, they cook, they do all the chores, etc. while a German or American wife would ride on you instead. I've heard of such sayings more than once, from a white Russian student in Arkansas to an Palauan In-Law (indirectly) of a German church lady.

If that is their pursuit, then they would be very disappointed by the truth. Their creativity against it would destroy themselves. I know of a Malaysian (half-Taiwanese perhaps) woman, very conservative, divorced her white husband, who's probably very liberal. Two beautiful girls. Now today, I saw one of my Arkansas friend, a Japanese posted on Facebook his divorce with his white wife he married from Arkansas. I am quite certain he's the liberal one. A son and a daughter. The son grew and committed suicide in his teens. He called himself not him but "they", influenced by today's very problematic gender confusion of the liberals. I do not know the reason behind the divorce. Is his wife too conservative to handle his liberal take on life? He once tried to challenge me that there was another religion that also claim monotheistic other than the Abrahamic faith when I tried to preach to him saying there's no such idea. It appeared that he became "Christian" when he got married. I don't know. Below is an excerpt of his post. I simplified the names for privacy:

D and I are now divorced. It's been a tough year, and it is not something that I wanted nor expected, but the decree has been issued as of this morning. D and I are committed to becoming good co-parents for M, and we will both remain in B at least until M graduates high school. D was renamed back to DW. I was very fortunate to have met D and got to be her husband for all those 20+ years. I am thankful that we got to have our beautiful kids together and the wonderful memories that I get to keep for the rest of our lives.

I private messaged him because I care and I shall pray for him and hopefully get to chat with him again. On importance of the Gospel and hopefully, reconciling his marriage.

Now that is not to say that there are no good interracial marriages. The truth that a lot of these "childish" interracial ideas is that they think they are progressive enough, but actually not. I wonder how they would wonder in denial knowing the fact that Genghis Khan had already popularized the idea of Eurasian 600 years ago. Moreover, there is no such thing as different races (Caucasian, Mongoloid, Negroid) branching of from different non-human species from the evolutionary tree. There's no such tree to begin with. Noah was the progenitor of us all. All races come from him. I also believe that there's little evolutionary trait between different races. The colors in different races come not from weather, but simply natural selection. The darker skinned would go with darker skinned, and the fairer with the fairer from Noah's time. It's a prejudice of fallen men, regardless of good or bad intention. The different colors of the races only proves that Noah and his predecessors were incredibly more diverse than we could ever imagine. There's no evolution of genes in different races, they are all inherited from Adam to Noah. That includes colors. Those that say otherwise believe they are more scientific, but when you look closer to their "scientific" notes, they are mere speculative at best.

Now knowing the truth, if they could still be a good married couple, I would marvel at God's creation in the sense that I get to see the original design of mankind, a slight glimpse into the days of Noah, my great ancestor. If not, at least their children will do just fine for my gratitude of such glimpse. Of course, there are those lasting interracial marriage that are nonchalant to all these, but they are only into themselves, they build a wall around themselves, like any selfish, those in self-denial, oblivious and indifferent to their surrounding. The view where there's only you and I, everyone else are jerks, everyone else is hell. I have no interest in those folks as well.

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Vocab: Diatribe

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diatribe

Pronunciation:

dahy-uh-trahyb

Definition:

verbal attack

As used in a sentence:

I felt I was reading a diatribe from someone with a personal ax to grind, rather than a scholarly or well researched biography.

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In What Manner a Pastor Pastors?

Dr. Stephen Tong once asked, years ago, in the seminary class I took: Is it possible that some regular Christians in the church know better/more than the pastor? Yes. Then in what manner the pastor pastors them? What authority? Seminary certificates? ordination? majority vote? title? etc.

The answer after 10+ years that I come to conclusion is: Love. I can't believe such an easy answer took me so long to come up with. The love of a parent. The prodigal son's father's love. The love of a shepherd. Not a hireling's sense of responsibility for the hireling is affected by financial and material wage. This love will be tough. Sure, a pastor should be as theologically equipped as possible, but more importantly, it is not the preaching on the pulpit, but the fatherly love which was shown even in St. Paul, who suffered tears from the elders at Ephesus and many more.

This parental love, is in the form of feeding the sheep not just with words, but with life, even where you don't want to go. And the power behind it which the Holy Spirit charges: "Do you love me" was what the Lord asked Peter (John 21:15-19).

True the son can be better, smarter, etc. than the parents, but the reason the son will still listen and honor the parents is not just one: Honor thy parents - and in this case the ordination of pastoral shepherdhood one a person in a church, for David never harmed Saul; but secondly, is because of the love of the parents. The child knows, despite his rebellion, disagreement with the father, when in trouble, there is always found love and comfort in the father's house. The father's love for the son is undeniable. This is how a pastor pastors a church. Not as a hireling who is so smart at preaching in the pulpit, but actually, more importantly, feeding them in all manner, self-sacrificing, no strife, instilling trust and love from them. This is not a competition between pastor and pastor, this is simply a true sacrifice.

And if these or this member, who is blessed by God in so many ways (in theology, biblical knowledge, hermeneutics, wisdom, theology, history, geography, management, speech, preaching, etc.) more than the pastor, behaves as if even in the matter of love, he needs to exceed the pastor's, then by all means, because it can only be ever more beautiful, if this love is true and holy. By all means, strive for it, both pastor and saints. But the pastor has no excuse to fall behind. He could be slow, struggling in jealousy, frustration, but he should not be waiting.

I would sure like to confirm with Pak Tong on this if I see him. (Added to my Question List for pak Tong entry) Because when he asked the question in Manhattan, no one answered (or perhaps the "certificate" answer was from one of the classmates), and Tong didn't really answer the question either, as if it is unanswerable or he didn't want to reveal his answer.

I have long thought about it, I'd wondered with no satisfying answer until very recently, I don't know, perhaps because of GCC and the fellowship of this church, motivated me to revisit all things spiritual once again. The pastor is not popular, in fact, he's 5+ years into his pastoral ministry and younger than I. But yet I could see him loving God's word more than most if not all pastors I've came across. I'm talking about all but Tim Keller at Redeemer, certainly the one at CCCNY, in fact, all Chinese churches I've been, Westfield Grace OPC's. As for MERF of NYC? I cannot say, it seems to be something good there but I did not get much opportunity to know them enough plus it appears that some of their secretary was prone to tribalism (if you are not member we are not interested to talk to you too much), hence I was kicked out of their mailing group more than once, I gave up, tired of complaining this to their pastor again.

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Why God allows rape?

https://www.facebook.com/TheReformedSage/videos/204722698066604

I do commend Frank for facing and able to deal with such challenge boldly and kindly.

However, as smart as Frank is, his limitation in focusing only on "you are borrowing from God's worldview" does not allow him to answer the question. He probably doesn't even realize that he was evading the question.

My answer is this:

Why there are rapes? and Why does God allow rape? are two different questions.

Why there are rape? Because men are fallen.

Why does God allow rape? Is it God respecting our free will? true. But more importantly, God allows it because He does not owe us anything else. There's no fault in God because He is the creator of all these: The same reason why I don't flood my backyard with pesticide everyday. The same reason why God doesn't create men and women in a way that one cannot rape the other.

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Thoughts

The Dodo Men in Mexico learning from street chefs. Interesting concept for travelling.

James Webb Space Telescope's first image. The study of star birth.

What to do in Las Vegas suggestion lists (not mine)

Richard Pratt on Van Til, worth a read, haven't read it. Add this under Projects:
https://thirdmill.org/newfiles/ric_pratt/TH.Pratt.VanTil.1.html
https://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/th/TH.h.Pratt.VanTil.2.html
COMMON MISUNDERSTANDINGS OF VAN TIL'S APOLOGETICS

It appears that Indonesia's richest business is palm oil. It's exports have surpassed Malaysia's not long ago. I came across this after recent news about their government banning the export of palm oil because of lack of it. But many, Chinese included, rich folks, probably the richest, billionaires in Indonesia are into this palm oil business.

A church should be a role model of theological seminaries in every way. Not the other way around.

I have recently took on the fun activity of doing debates, conversations on Facebook using multiple personalities, i.e. multiple user accounts. Challenging Facebook community, especially the same strangers, from different users, personalities, tones, opposite attitudes, though with the same goal and context. It is both fun and interesting and even educational. It is my 2nd chief goal in Facebook, after the goal of keeping in touch with every old friends I know. This social media technology provides me one of the rare and unique opportunity to study anthropology and human psyche. It's amazing with different attitude under different username, I have complete different outcome with some people (i.e. Lorenzo Heighway...with my alter ego - Darien Lam shhh). This "involuntary" human experimentation is Fun!

Interesting also on when and why we suggest a terminology like compatibilism. Best is when someone's eager to learn, not when someone is closed and only interested to win. For these, there is no need to use terminologies for them to look up on, best is to use simple language to reveal their folly.

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PCA: Report of the Ad Interim Committee on Human Sexuality

So GCC began delving into this report as a Sunday School topic, for a few weeks. It is a report formulated and presented in the 48th General Assembly of PCA. The report was done by 7 prominent figures of which Tim Keller & Kevin DeYoung were part of. Keller and DeYoung discussion were also presented in the report: https://livestream.com/accounts/8521918/events/9731338/videos/223474749

12 Statements in the report and we've done up to 6th Statement as of now. This report is basically on the conservative side and deals primarily against the problem heated by the Revoice Conference that was not of PCA but hosted by a PCA church. Concupiscence is touched on as well, announcing Roman Catholics' support of it, rebuked. People linked to Revoice and also Tim Keller is Scott Sauls, who appears to be struggling back and forth while still act as if Tim Keller is still his mentor. It's hard for him to fix his own objection to the Nashville Statements' 7th Article: We Deny that adopting a homosexual or transgender self-conception is consistent with God's holy purposes in creation and redemption.

Krista Bontrager of TheologyMom gave a thorough review of all these:

Changedmovement.com and Andrew Comiskey were mentioned by Krista to better contrast the party that turn same-sex attraction into identity (product of fallen but not sinful in itself unless acted upon - concupiscence) rather than sin to be liberated from.

Rev. Jon Payne gave a gratified response to the report:

I do wonder where are those within the denomination who fervently object to this report, because Scott Sauls' seem to have tumbled, trying to argue his way left and right, wanting to object but at the same time, perhaps because Tim Keller's name was on it, Sauls found himself hitting a wall.

Peter Jones on the other hand, criticized the report from the other side. Jones was right on protecting the natural order and creativity of God...

as Paul says in Romans 1:26, it is “unnatural.” It is not “unnatural” just because most people don’t understand it or don’t identify as homosexuals. It is unnatural because it is out of order with the physical cosmos as God made it. It is thus both a rejection of the natural world and of God himself

Jones emphasizes on the otherness of God. Contrasting the otherness between creator and creature, between humans and animals, between male and female, man and woman. This is the essence in apologetics against the attack of the group that promotes "same-ness" against the foundation of God's creation. Against the true beauty and attractiveness of sex and gender.

I still need time to process all these, but certainly, not with the attitude of one lady who tried to confront our pastor last Sunday School on this with the judgment: Did you guys do Romans? Romans answers all of these. Such shallow, almost charismatics/non-denominational childishness is what a part of reports like this are trying to do away with.

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Asian Pear Tree Care

There was a photo I took from the owner of Lee Orchard Garden's phone screen with the "recipe" of how to care for the tree. But I lost it when my phone's mini SDcard was damaged by my frustrating dealing with MetroPCS. Been trying to reach out to Mr. Lee (609) 799-4820

The below is the one I got in my notes, I'm not sure if I transcribed it from the photo or taken from his oral notes, I am leaning towards the photo transcription:

March
Chicken poop

April
Insecticide
Fungicide
Mix spray

May
10 10 10 (Fertilizer NPK)

Dec
Growmark
Fire blight

*** Update 5/1/2022, Finally Bob Lee emailed me what I asked him for:

Update: 9/3/2024 I received email reply from the owner that this tree is:  The smaller pears are the 20th Century (green-skin) but we do not have this variety for our tree sales this year. I guess it's a kind of apple pear, AKA Nijisseiki.

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On Holy Communion vs. Holy Mass, Transubstantiation, Consubstantiation, Calvin vs. Luther vs. Rome

In a recent FB debate, I am pushed to do this in depth research. In general, Calvin's view/analysis is the best. It's not transubstantiation of the Roman Catholics, nor consubstantiation (which is actually just transubstantiation but just saying that the flesh and blood are also bread and wine at the same time - as if they're very smart at that "supra-logical" statement) as Martin Luther puts it, nor is it just symbolic as Zwingli had it, which many evangelical and charismatics subscribe to.

Ligonier touched on Calvin's view, which Calvin largely discussed on in his Institutes, book 4, chapter 18: Of the Popish Mass. How it not only profanes, but annihilates. There are many more resources.

This is where I shall do in-depth study on.

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